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The New Adventures of Mr Stephen Fry » Forum: The Zero Room - Recent Posts http://www.stephenfry.com/forum/forum/the-zero-room Just another bbPress community en-US Wed, 19 Jun 2013 06:02:11 +0000 http://bbpress.org/?v=1.0.2 <![CDATA[Search]]> q http://www.stephenfry.com/forum/search.php bolobolo on "Kitchen Units Sale" http://www.stephenfry.com/forum/topic/kitchen-units-sale-1#post-294115 Wed, 19 Jun 2013 04:07:58 +0000 bolobolo 294115@http://www.stephenfry.com/forum/ Kitchen Units Sale. w w w .diykitchens1. co . uk Twelve kitchen units and appliances sale £595. Tel 01616-694785. Kitchen Units Sale <a href="http://www.kitchenunitssale.co.uk">Kitchen Units Sale</a> suedap11 on "Trade Kitchen Carcasses" http://www.stephenfry.com/forum/topic/trade-kitchen-carcasses#post-294093 Tue, 18 Jun 2013 08:44:34 +0000 suedap11 294093@http://www.stephenfry.com/forum/ Trade Kitchen Carcasses w w w .diykitchens1. co . uk U.K manufactured kitchen with appliances only £595. TEL- 01616-694785. 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The Lament of a 21st Century Man!" http://www.stephenfry.com/forum/topic/breaking-the-chains-of-judgement-the-lament-of-a-21st-century-man#post-293747 Sat, 08 Jun 2013 05:08:19 +0000 O-Zephyrus 293747@http://www.stephenfry.com/forum/ Thank you...I love Orson Welles so its a double honour <img src="http://www.stephenfry.com/bb-content/plugins//bb-smilies/default/icon_biggrin.gif" title=":D" class="bb_smilies" /> Mandiemouse on "A rant against society" http://www.stephenfry.com/forum/topic/a-rant-against-society#post-293373 Tue, 21 May 2013 15:17:24 +0000 Mandiemouse 293373@http://www.stephenfry.com/forum/ I am wondering if the rant against society should actually be a rant against the structure that is in place that creates the society. We all function in a patriarchal structure tied into a state-sponsored capitalist viewpoint, and therefore this structure has within it deeply engrained patriarchal views that exemplify only the voices of the western, white, straight, wealthy male. Working within these parameters it could be said that religion is understandably hard pressed to teach anti-violent, peaceful and un-gendered truths. Further, the religious traditions are deeply penetrated with violent language, thoughts and actions; all of which are over-spirtualised, all of which detract from love and flourishing. These are the narratives, rhetoric and doctrines that have a passion for death, a disregard of the body and earth, and focuses on the soul and ‘other worlds’ as a perfect conclusion to a wretched, painful and undesirable life on earth. This life, therefore, is nothing more than a testing ground where we must all act in a certain way before we can be saved (see Jantzen, 1998; MacFague, 1993; Grey, 1989; to name only a few who discuss this in detail). This is how sexuality is stifled, as the body is evil. (Personally, I think it is an obscenity that we talk about salvation in the next left, while all around there are people who can be saved with almost no effort (food, hygiene). We must start to imagine what flourishing could happen with extreme effort. But this is off topic really) One way of approaching violence within these parameters (and this includes the violence of stifling sexuality)is through feminist theologies that promote a horizontal nature of authority and exposes the ingrained narratives that disperses hate within the erect structure of patriarchy. Feminist theology reveals the flaws in this hierarchical structure, how it encourages selfishness, violence, abuse and reward for very few ‘winners’. Humans must be allowed to flourish. Suppressing only leads to metal trauma (and we all know that much devastation always follows from this). Maybe if we can stop asking "where is religion" when bad things happen; instead asking "what can religion do in the face of suppression (and oppression) of human flourishing" we can turn things around ourselves. I would like to give it a go I am sick of waiting for someone else to do it for us. <img src="http://www.stephenfry.com/bb-content/plugins//bb-smilies/default/icon_smile.gif" title=":-)" class="bb_smilies" /> joan on "A rant against society" http://www.stephenfry.com/forum/topic/a-rant-against-society#post-293237 Tue, 14 May 2013 07:43:10 +0000 joan 293237@http://www.stephenfry.com/forum/ Things are good on NZ and these two Youtube recordings of a parliamentary member's speech, the vote and the reaction reaction to gay marriage should cheer us all up: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=pCDEiaoEP2U" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=pCDEiaoEP2U</a> <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DW4DXOAXF8U&feature=player_embedded" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DW4DXOAXF8U&feature=player_embedded</a> elleskippito on "A rant against society" http://www.stephenfry.com/forum/topic/a-rant-against-society#post-293179 Mon, 13 May 2013 14:30:07 +0000 elleskippito 293179@http://www.stephenfry.com/forum/ I have to hold onto hope that my chidren's generation will have it better than mine and certainly better than my parents'. Of course any hate is scary and inexcuseable, but I see progress and I have to hope that the hateful voices get quieter and quieter. joan on "depression" http://www.stephenfry.com/forum/topic/depression-3/page/2#post-292841 Fri, 03 May 2013 23:31:28 +0000 joan 292841@http://www.stephenfry.com/forum/ Just found the true meaning of 'Pom'. It started off as 'immigrant' but Australians like to play with words, so immigrant became 'Jimmy Grant', which sort of sounded a bit like 'pomegranate' which morphed into 'Pom' about 100 years ago. My own view is that it is an acronym: POM = Perfection Of Mankind. For some reason the locals don't believe me, but I say it is self evident. PS Having recently recovered from severe gastro-enteritis I am holding off depression for now. It sort of hovers in the background, but, well, let's hope it fades away. Saliba Darren on "Signed book." http://www.stephenfry.com/forum/topic/signed-book#post-292837 Fri, 03 May 2013 22:45:40 +0000 Saliba Darren 292837@http://www.stephenfry.com/forum/ I badly would like to get my hands on a signed copy of "Making History" and i have no idea where to start searching. I would like to be ambitious and try get a personalized signed copy however since I live in Malta I am not able to attend conventions or anything of the sort. I hope someone is able to help me and thank who ever does so in advanced. Darren aidrenegade on "depression" http://www.stephenfry.com/forum/topic/depression-3/page/2#post-292833 Fri, 03 May 2013 10:20:39 +0000 aidrenegade 292833@http://www.stephenfry.com/forum/ Unfortunately my main medication for depression is still wine. It's just great to put on a live music dvd and dream away for a few hours before nodding off with another day over. I don't consider suicide (no, really I don't!) because that would mean lifes beaten me for good and I'm just not going to let that happen! Belated congratulations to 'Sir Fry' for making that documentary about his battle with depression! Frazzy on "Real Estate Agents" http://www.stephenfry.com/forum/topic/real-estate-agents#post-292673 Thu, 18 Apr 2013 10:44:47 +0000 Frazzy 292673@http://www.stephenfry.com/forum/ Hurrah!, the house is sold, no more intrusions.. now all we have to do is find somewhere to live.. ...hurrah? <img src="http://www.stephenfry.com/bb-content/plugins//bb-smilies/default/icon_confused.gif" title=":?" class="bb_smilies" /> Next thing to rage at: the words 'No dogs' No dogs? No fucking dogs? YOU HAVE NO SOUL. joan on "A rant against society" http://www.stephenfry.com/forum/topic/a-rant-against-society#post-292553 Tue, 02 Apr 2013 23:48:41 +0000 joan 292553@http://www.stephenfry.com/forum/ Like I said before, it is OK to suffer from self-imposed denial, but to force your partner to suffer a lack of love, to deny them any sort of sex life, is unforgivable. My friend believed he was a good man for not demanding sex before marriage. It would never have happened to me: I expected (and got) unbridled lust from the man I would marry. AndreBMW on "A rant against society" http://www.stephenfry.com/forum/topic/a-rant-against-society#post-292551 Tue, 02 Apr 2013 15:53:37 +0000 AndreBMW 292551@http://www.stephenfry.com/forum/ <blockquote><cite>WannaBeLinguist <a href="//www.stephenfry.com/forum/topic/a-rant-against-society#post-292509"">said</a>:</cite> I can relate to this on a somewhat personal level. It hasn't happened to me directly but it has happened to people I know closely and here's why. This man I know (who is too complicated to explain completely) was married for 23 years to a woman. The people who knew and worked with him knew a few things about this man: he was either bisexual or gay and did... I think BDSM? Not sure. These people were honestly shocked that he even got married. He did these sexual things behind his wife's back. But they kept mum about it and his wife did not know for over twenty years. I still remember when she found out-- I had never seen her cry before and I remember trying to comfort her. They finally divorced around 2008; it was an odd mix of quiet and messy. One thing I must admit now that I reflect on it; for as long as I have known these people, their marriage was a complete mess. He could be domineering and abusive and she was easily frustrated and constantly unhappy. It has affected their kids, especially their oldest daughter. Their divorce was for the best. He's still in the closet. I wish he will come out one day. Now, this man had experienced anti-gay attitudes for a majority of his early life. He was born in a small town outside of St. Louis in the late 1950's and we all know how attitudes towards homosexuals were then. When he was just a little boy in the 60's, his grandfather owned a tavern. They had a piano player that worked in the tavern who was gay and, at one point, he was put into a psychiatric hospital by his family and given shock therapy to "cure him". His grandmother worked until the end of her life in 1969 to get him released. Here's my theory: this man was aware that he was different at an early age or, when he finally realized what he was as a young man, he looked back on that piano player. Even as attitudes and laws changed towards the LGBTQ community changed and he really shouldn't have been afraid, I can understand, how that fear can remain with someone. This man is Catholic, but he is far from religious (he may just be still claiming Catholic, though, for his parents sake) so I don't think religion had anything to do with it. Some people, especially older LGBTQ members in and out of the closet, still remember how people looked upon people like them back then; they remember the prostration, the violence, the lack of understanding, their own fear as well as the fear of people around them. His ex-wife suffered greatly and had to get multiple tests taken for various STIs as well as HIV. It killed her and it destroyed her a little more once she found out her daughters knew about their father. I blame society for doing this to her and her ex-husband. It makes me so very angry every time I think about it. They preach about wanting to keep the traditional family so much that they don't really give too much of a damn about the health and happiness of the people in it. It makes me sick. They want uniformity and the procreation of new citizens that they can just brainwash and I'm tired of it.</blockquote> This is exactly the kind of thing I was ranting about. The cause isn't always religion but it very rarely helps the matter. It all comes down to the horrible things we, as a people, do to each other. My partner for the last 6 years was married for 18 years. He only eventually divorced his wife because she'd been having an affair with another woman. I also met a married man recently that isn't attracted to his wife and in fact prefers to have sex with men, although he wouldn't refer to himself as being gay. He is so concerned with what his wife, family, friends and church would think of him if he came out that he is determined to live this farce of a life/marriage that he is in. Even if it means he is never truly himself or happy. It makes me sick inside.