http://www.stephenfry.com/forum/topic/johnny-vegas-on-qi-im-not-going-to-watch-that Just another bbPress community en-US Sat, 18 May 2013 08:11:04 +0000 http://bbpress.org/?v=1.0.2 q http://www.stephenfry.com/forum/search.php http://www.stephenfry.com/forum/topic/johnny-vegas-on-qi-im-not-going-to-watch-that#post-74242 Wed, 22 Oct 2008 14:28:14 +0000 poeticallyblind 74242@http://www.stephenfry.com/forum/ Have not thoroughly read all posts but I am aware of the incident at Johnny Vegas' show.<br /> <br /> This to say on that: Johnny Vegas' style as a comedian is outrageous and shock-based. As Jimmy Carr says, &quot;I can't see the line until I've crossed it&quot;...often true in comedy...this does not at all negate/minimize the experience of the girl, but I do know that Johnny Vegas was mortified by the response, and has publicly stated that he did not intend harm...and I believe he is sincere about this.<br /> <br /> Now the question of Johhny Vegas on QI: I knew it was a bad idea before I watched it and seeing the evidence has cemented that belief. It is important to &quot;cast&quot; the right show with the right guest, and Johnny Vegas is not the right guest...his comedy at its essence is very smart, but it is based on a &quot;dumbing down&quot; principle that makes it jarring to see in the QI context...<br /> <br /> Just my two cents... http://www.stephenfry.com/forum/topic/johnny-vegas-on-qi-im-not-going-to-watch-that#post-68190 Fri, 15 Aug 2008 18:24:35 +0000 Shyamz 68190@http://www.stephenfry.com/forum/ Yes I know this topic is nearly dead now, but I just had to say something as this really annoys me.<br /> Before I start I'm a girl too, (I sometimes need to mention that as it's not always obvious from my posts, so I thought this was probably a topic where I'd better point it out).<br /> <br /> I have seen Johnny Vegas live, and on television, and I personally take the view that it is not up to the rest of the world to take offense on someone else's behalf (I don't mean here, I mean at the gig itself, or on a Millie Tant website).<br /> I'm not saying REAL abuse or assault isn't a very serious issue and shouldn't be taken seriously-obviously it should. But if the person involved in this situation does not take offense in any way (as has been mentioned everywhere except it would seem on that feminist website), then case closed.<br /> <br /> Yes I understand that there are people out there who have been affected by this issue, either personally or through someone they know. But it isn't healthy for those in that position to start taking on a cause for all around them, even if they know there are people who find it hard to talk about it. The woman at this gig said that she didn't feel threatened by him at all, and that is where it should end. It doesn't necessarily mean she is in denial about it, or trying to block anything out. It could just mean that nothing happened...that IS a possibility.<br /> <br /> Women can have a laugh as much as anyone else, and I'm pretty certain that after years on the circuit the people who go to see him know what to expect.<br /> He was hilarious on the occasions I saw him, and I seriously doubt that the incident was as physical or intimate as people are making out (based on the shows I've seen, where he did nothing of the kind). <br /> But as I wasn't there, I only have that article to go on, and I'm not about to listen to the misspelled web ramblings of a blogger who wasn't even there. (the website in question is not an official news source, just a living Viz comic in my opinion).<br /> <br /> I'm not saying real journalists are any more trustworthy because they aren't, but we would do well to remember that because of his job and his openness about liking a drink, that he is an easy target for misinterpretation for other people's gain.<br /> Johnny Vegas was training to join the priesthood before his move to comedy, and does still have some belief in his life on some level, (partly because he has always wondered about whether or not to bring his son up with a belief, something he even touched on in a programme he made looking into western religion).<br /> <br /> Relevant or not? That's for you to decide, but it's safe to say he has a far more equal and healthy attitude to women then his detractors or his on stage character would have you believe (as it is indeed just a character, with some stories of his past woven into the act here and there, but not many).<br /> <br /> If we as a society are bringing up young women right, then we should feel comfortable that we have taught them they have the right to say no, and should not feel embarrassed or ashamed to tell someone if they have been abused in any way. If we are worried, then perhaps we haven't done it right and we need to look at the way the issue is handled and taught.<br /> <br /> And the rest of us need to know the difference.<br /> <br /> (None of the above is in any way aimed at anyone here I should point out, as the people who visit Stephen's site all seem very intelligent and open to an unbiased debate, it's just that that's how I look at it, and it might not have come over in the way I intend it to).<br /> <br /> And I agree with Human_Nature very strongly. Men and women are-and always will be-different. That is a strength on both sides, not a weakness, and there is nothing wrong with the differences that make us who we are.<br /> <br /> &quot;I love men to be men, and women women&quot;- The Rolling Stones. http://www.stephenfry.com/forum/topic/johnny-vegas-on-qi-im-not-going-to-watch-that#post-66992 Sat, 12 Jul 2008 10:23:37 +0000 Human_Nature 66992@http://www.stephenfry.com/forum/ <strong>what always bugs me is the misconception of some men who imagine women are weak, well that's a easy solved mystery for them to understand, try carrying a baby for nine months, try coping with your rather old comments about how inferior we are, look at the statistics of the amount of gay women who turned their backs on you because of your unacceptable behaviour, and the strength of gay women to take your tired old egotisticle statements of how you can turn us strait again.<br /> <br /> this female male war is old sad and quit frankly boring now, my personal belief is that these individuals who fight to stand above strong women should sit back and accept like I do we are not totally equal but both sexes have there own strengths that should be reversed not ridiculed.<br /> <br /> physically we are as strong, mentally we are emotions are different due to hormones the ones we need to procreate the young and you need to help in that endeavour these are our few differences apart from our physical form, the battle of the sexes will continue, but might alleviate if things are accepted about each sex from either side and stop all this fist stomping neanderthal behavior from both sides. </strong> http://www.stephenfry.com/forum/topic/johnny-vegas-on-qi-im-not-going-to-watch-that#post-66819 Wed, 09 Jul 2008 11:59:51 +0000 jonesy 66819@http://www.stephenfry.com/forum/ Are you the one. Go into a restauraunt and order bangers and mash, without the bangers, oh and by the way, not too much mash! Reeaaaally! http://www.stephenfry.com/forum/topic/johnny-vegas-on-qi-im-not-going-to-watch-that#post-65718 Sun, 15 Jun 2008 03:01:02 +0000 Occy 65718@http://www.stephenfry.com/forum/ Yes there are good females in most sports - much like there are good male netballers etc <br /> <br /> We have a couple of very good female jockeys. In fact I did a major assignment on women in sport when I was at university - looking at the disparity and the success of women in horse racing. http://www.stephenfry.com/forum/topic/johnny-vegas-on-qi-im-not-going-to-watch-that#post-65702 Sat, 14 Jun 2008 19:43:16 +0000 nongenderous 65702@http://www.stephenfry.com/forum/ The glass ceiling: <br /> <a href="http://lifeandhealth.guardian.co.uk/women/story/0,,2285378,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://lifeandhealth.guardian.co.uk/women/story/0,,2285378,00.html</a> http://www.stephenfry.com/forum/topic/johnny-vegas-on-qi-im-not-going-to-watch-that#post-65678 Sat, 14 Jun 2008 04:59:07 +0000 Anonymous 65678@http://www.stephenfry.com/forum/ I'm sorry if I've ruffled anyone's feathers or implied that I don't think there's a problem. Certainly there's still a problem, but things are better than they were 30 years ago, and they continue to improve. Progress moves like a glacier, not an avalanche--- and if we want an avalanche, we have to cause it, not talk about it. <br /> If you are underpaid, bring it up with your employer; write to your congressperson; do something about it. <br /> Support economic reforms that will improve the lives of the poorest citizens; support politicians who believe in the woman's right to choose. Be vocal, donate money, do whatever you believe will actually make a difference.</blockquote><br /> <br /> i knew what you meant kanga...that everyone agrees equal pay should happen.<br /> i was just wondering why it doesn't. you didn't upset me at all, we're on the same side of the issue for sure.<br /> <br /> by the way, occy, i go to the races quite a bit and our local track has a couple of female jockeys that i win off rather consistently. &lt;img src=&quot;http://www.stephenfry.com/bb-content/plugins//bb-smilies/default/icon_wink.gif&quot; title=&quot;;)&quot; class=&quot;bb_smilies&quot; /&gt; aaaand....recently one of the key formula one races was won by a woman...so...????? i get what you're trying to say though.<br /> <br /> and just to tell everyone, i'm chill..with all of you that is!! no hard feelings at all...i understand what everyone's saying and you're all my friends on here, always. &lt;img src=&quot;http://www.stephenfry.com/bb-content/plugins//bb-smilies/default/icon_smile.gif&quot; title=&quot;:)&quot; class=&quot;bb_smilies&quot; /&gt; http://www.stephenfry.com/forum/topic/johnny-vegas-on-qi-im-not-going-to-watch-that#post-65632 Fri, 13 Jun 2008 15:44:53 +0000 amyl_nitrate 65632@http://www.stephenfry.com/forum/ Feminism isn't just about equal pay, but also about reproductive health and a lot of different issues which a lot of women are still fighting for around the world.</blockquote><br /> <br /> Yep yep yep. when I say I'm pro-choice I don't just mean the right to choose to have an abortion but also the right to choose to keep the child, the right to choose where you'll give birth and be given full unbiased information on this and whether to have drugs or not, the right to free and/or affordable contraception. I also believe mothers should have the right to choose whether to stay at home with their children or go out and work and not be stigmatised for their choice and the same goes for fathers. <br /> <br /> <a href="http://www.thefword.org.uk/features/2008/03/not_a_happy_bir">Not a happy birthday</a> &lt;img src=&quot;http://www.stephenfry.com/bb-content/plugins//bb-smilies/default/icon_sad.gif&quot; title=&quot;:(&quot; class=&quot;bb_smilies&quot; /&gt; http://www.stephenfry.com/forum/topic/johnny-vegas-on-qi-im-not-going-to-watch-that#post-65589 Thu, 12 Jun 2008 19:42:11 +0000 JSKanga84 65589@http://www.stephenfry.com/forum/ Yeah, it's a frustration we oughtn't have on top of everything else in life. No hard feeling here, either. &lt;img src=&quot;http://www.stephenfry.com/bb-content/plugins//bb-smilies/default/icon_smile.gif&quot; title=&quot;:)&quot; class=&quot;bb_smilies&quot; /&gt; http://www.stephenfry.com/forum/topic/johnny-vegas-on-qi-im-not-going-to-watch-that#post-65580 Thu, 12 Jun 2008 15:52:39 +0000 Gayalondiel 65580@http://www.stephenfry.com/forum/ <br /> I understand what you're saying and I agree with you. I guess I just came off sounding the wrong way. I apologize.</blockquote><br /> <br /> 'Salright, I just find it quite a touchy issue as it really should have been fixed by now and we're still fighting the same old fight. No hard feelings here. &lt;img src=&quot;http://www.stephenfry.com/bb-content/plugins//bb-smilies/default/icon_smile.gif&quot; title=&quot;:)&quot; class=&quot;bb_smilies&quot; /&gt; http://www.stephenfry.com/forum/topic/johnny-vegas-on-qi-im-not-going-to-watch-that#post-65575 Thu, 12 Jun 2008 15:36:14 +0000 JSKanga84 65575@http://www.stephenfry.com/forum/ I'm sorry if I've ruffled anyone's feathers or implied that I don't think there's a problem. Certainly there's still a problem, but things are better than they were 30 years ago, and they continue to improve. Progress moves like a glacier, not an avalanche--- and if we want an avalanche, we have to cause it, not talk about it. <br /> If you are underpaid, bring it up with your employer; write to your congressperson; do something about it. <br /> Support economic reforms that will improve the lives of the poorest citizens; support politicians who believe in the woman's right to choose. Be vocal, donate money, do whatever you believe will actually make a difference.</blockquote><br /> <br /> <br /> It's not like people aren't doing things. This is part of my professional roel. People do all they can and progress is still moving at a snail's pace. It's not like we're all sat here setting the world to rights and expecting it to change because we're grumbling amongst ourselves.</blockquote><br /> <br /> I understand what you're saying and I agree with you. I guess I just came off sounding the wrong way. I apologize. http://www.stephenfry.com/forum/topic/johnny-vegas-on-qi-im-not-going-to-watch-that#post-65550 Thu, 12 Jun 2008 08:05:05 +0000 Gayalondiel 65550@http://www.stephenfry.com/forum/ I'm sorry if I've ruffled anyone's feathers or implied that I don't think there's a problem. Certainly there's still a problem, but things are better than they were 30 years ago, and they continue to improve. Progress moves like a glacier, not an avalanche--- and if we want an avalanche, we have to cause it, not talk about it. <br /> If you are underpaid, bring it up with your employer; write to your congressperson; do something about it. <br /> Support economic reforms that will improve the lives of the poorest citizens; support politicians who believe in the woman's right to choose. Be vocal, donate money, do whatever you believe will actually make a difference.</blockquote><br /> <br /> <br /> It's not like people aren't doing things. This is part of my professional roel. People do all they can and progress is still moving at a snail's pace. It's not like we're all sat here setting the world to rights and expecting it to change because we're grumbling amongst ourselves. http://www.stephenfry.com/forum/topic/johnny-vegas-on-qi-im-not-going-to-watch-that#post-65539 Wed, 11 Jun 2008 20:46:39 +0000 JSKanga84 65539@http://www.stephenfry.com/forum/ I'm sorry if I've ruffled anyone's feathers or implied that I don't think there's a problem. Certainly there's still a problem, but things are better than they were 30 years ago, and they continue to improve. Progress moves like a glacier, not an avalanche--- and if we want an avalanche, we have to cause it, not talk about it. <br /> If you are underpaid, bring it up with your employer; write to your congressperson; do something about it. <br /> Support economic reforms that will improve the lives of the poorest citizens; support politicians who believe in the woman's right to choose. Be vocal, donate money, do whatever you believe will actually make a difference. http://www.stephenfry.com/forum/topic/johnny-vegas-on-qi-im-not-going-to-watch-that#post-65538 Wed, 11 Jun 2008 18:53:49 +0000 Britannicus 65538@http://www.stephenfry.com/forum/ <br /> Here's a recent study done by Vanderbilt University <a href="http://www.vanderbilt.edu/news/releases/2007/4/9/why-do-women-earn-less-than-men-two-vanderbilt-economists-explain-this-persistent-issue-and-show-which-professions-are-worst-at-pay-parity" rel="nofollow">http://www.vanderbilt.edu/news/releases/2007/4/9/w.....pay-parity</a><br /> <br /> Unfortunately it still seems like sex discrimination is the leading cause of unequal pay. &lt;img src=&quot;http://www.stephenfry.com/bb-content/plugins//bb-smilies/default/icon_sad.gif&quot; title=&quot;:(&quot; class=&quot;bb_smilies&quot; /&gt; </blockquote><br /> <br /> &lt;img src=&quot;http://www.stephenfry.com/bb-content/plugins//bb-smilies/default/icon_sad.gif&quot; title=&quot;:(&quot; class=&quot;bb_smilies&quot; /&gt; Grand. http://www.stephenfry.com/forum/topic/johnny-vegas-on-qi-im-not-going-to-watch-that#post-65537 Wed, 11 Jun 2008 18:45:36 +0000 Britannicus 65537@http://www.stephenfry.com/forum/ Then sucks be to the UK. I get paid based on my experience not my sex - the more experience I get the higher my wage.<br /> <br /> Let's throw a cat amongst these pigeons...<br /> <br /> I do believe there are some things men do better than women<br /> <br /> Two of these things would be race car driver and jockey<br /> <br /> Again i speak as a woman - big boobs n all</blockquote><br /> <br /> That's great that you're getting paid fairly. I'm pleased for you.<br /> <br /> And on the other note, chill out. No one is trying to say that men are useless and that women should rule the world. Of course there some things men are more likely to do better than women, and vice versa. We are <em>different</em>. No better. No worse. But it is all a matter of degree and more individual than &quot;men are this&quot; and &quot;women are that&quot;.