http://www.stephenfry.com/forum/topic/oh-for-gods-sake Just another bbPress community en-US Wed, 22 May 2013 15:56:23 +0000 http://bbpress.org/?v=1.0.2 q http://www.stephenfry.com/forum/search.php http://www.stephenfry.com/forum/topic/oh-for-gods-sake#post-43422 Thu, 08 Nov 2007 20:42:08 +0000 whatonearth 43422@http://www.stephenfry.com/forum/ i was politely clearing my throat what with all the fumes and everything i'm sitting in &lt;img src=&quot;http://www.stephenfry.com/bb-content/plugins//bb-smilies/default/icon_wink.gif&quot; title=&quot;;)&quot; class=&quot;bb_smilies&quot; /&gt; <br /> <br /> and not to mention the extra f i accidentally put in, which i've now removed but will be there forever in your quote! http://www.stephenfry.com/forum/topic/oh-for-gods-sake#post-43400 Thu, 08 Nov 2007 18:32:10 +0000 TobiasMonk 43400@http://www.stephenfry.com/forum/ <br /> <br /> ahem ahem<br /> <br /> there is the option of not drinking alcohol, and having a fewf drinks with your friends once in a while is not going to do any serious damage.<br /> <br /> having said that, i don't really mind if people smoke in pubs or not. smoking masks the smell of farts and BO and it feels more pubby, but then it's also unhealthy, your clothes smell and it makes me want to smoke too which i shouldn't do.</blockquote><br /> <br /> &lt;img src=&quot;http://www.stephenfry.com/bb-content/plugins//bb-smilies/default/icon_biggrin.gif&quot; title=&quot;:D&quot; class=&quot;bb_smilies&quot; /&gt; &lt;img src=&quot;http://www.stephenfry.com/bb-content/plugins//bb-smilies/default/icon_biggrin.gif&quot; title=&quot;:D&quot; class=&quot;bb_smilies&quot; /&gt; <br /> especially the &quot;ahem ahem&quot; http://www.stephenfry.com/forum/topic/oh-for-gods-sake#post-43398 Thu, 08 Nov 2007 17:43:50 +0000 whatonearth 43398@http://www.stephenfry.com/forum/ So let me get this straight. People want to outlaw smoking in pubs because of the ill effects upon their health? How serious about your health can you be if you are out drinking in a pub? Especially if you are out to &quot;hook up&quot;, as the kids say, thereby running the risk of contracting an STD. </blockquote><br /> <br /> ahem ahem<br /> <br /> there is the option of not drinking alcohol, and having a few drinks with your friends once in a while is not going to do any serious damage.<br /> <br /> having said that, i don't really mind if people smoke in pubs or not. smoking masks the smell of farts and BO and it feels more pubby, but then it's also unhealthy, your clothes smell and it makes me want to smoke too which i shouldn't do. http://www.stephenfry.com/forum/topic/oh-for-gods-sake#post-43392 Thu, 08 Nov 2007 16:04:13 +0000 Godfather 43392@http://www.stephenfry.com/forum/ So let me get this straight. People want to outlaw smoking in pubs because of the ill effects upon their health? How serious about your health can you be if you are out drinking in a pub? Especially if you are out to &quot;hook up&quot;, as the kids say, thereby running the risk of contracting an STD. <br /> <br /> I miss the 70s. People back then knew that they wouldn't live forever and enjoyed smoking and drinking properly. So you don't die of cancer, congratulations, now you can waste away in a nursing home from Alzheimer's or dimentia or some sort of organ failure that requires you to spend the rest of your days hooked up to a machine. <br /> <br /> If a pub wants to advertise itself as a smoke free zone, or if they want to cater to smokers, it is the business of the owner not some government agency, IMHO. http://www.stephenfry.com/forum/topic/oh-for-gods-sake#post-40750 Wed, 17 Oct 2007 20:19:35 +0000 Hanny 40750@http://www.stephenfry.com/forum/ im 22, dont smoke and never have done. just like crazy in a box no one is aloud to smoke in my home, although thats my boyfriends idea. he is an ex smoker and is worse around smoke than me!!! his poor eyes get all itchy!! i dont care if people smoke around me, as long as they arent literaly blowing there smoke in my face then im not offended by it. but my boyfriend on the other hand hates it. which is ok. he started at 14 stopped last year at the age of 28 and dislikes being around it.<br /> iv found ex smokers hate smoke more than non smokers! they are the ones who poisened themselves youd of thought they would be use to it!! <br /> <br /> we shouldnt of had a complete smoking ban. instead places should of had better ventilation systams added by law to deal with the amount of smoke produced or a complete 'smoking room' made available where people can go rather than gathering around outside in large groups blocking doorways. which i find worse!! just creates a problem with fag stubbs being littered everywhere http://www.stephenfry.com/forum/topic/oh-for-gods-sake#post-40324 Fri, 12 Oct 2007 19:22:02 +0000 Crazy_in_a_box 40324@http://www.stephenfry.com/forum/ I used to smoke for awhile, I now only smoke when Im highly pissed and out for the night. I personally dont care if someone smokes as it is not up to me what they do themselves but <br /> A) noone is allowed smoke indoors in our house, they can go out the back if they want. It is our environment and we dont like the smell or the itchy eyes (personally it dosnt bother my breathing in the short term). <br /> B) Im in favour of the public (inc pubs and clubs) ban on smoking, I think it is fair and I also think it has worked out pretty well in Ireland. I dont mind going outside to have a smoke when Im out, I understand why people dont want it around them and I respect that. <br /> C) I dont believe people are entitled to do anything they want in this world regardless, I believe if you choose to do something you also take on the consequences - if you choose to smoke, you have to be respectful to those around you and consider their needs as it is your choice in relation to YOUR health but not theirs. they have the right to a clean environment over your right to smoking. simple as.... http://www.stephenfry.com/forum/topic/oh-for-gods-sake#post-39732 Sun, 07 Oct 2007 00:25:40 +0000 Anonymous 39732@http://www.stephenfry.com/forum/ From what I can remember, most were seperate rooms, as this was still in the days of old-fashioned pubs, with lots of seperate areas, and most had not been renovated into the kind of open plan &quot;relaxation spaces&quot; that most pubs and bars are these days, in which the smoke still drifts, no matter how far away you are!<br /> Most of the pubs I remember as a kid from the various family functions I've been bored stiff at had their own seperate serving area in these rooms, and weren't tiny, dark dingey box rooms, but were large and heated. <br /> A seperate air conditoning system for an indoor smoking room is an interesting idea, after all, some people find it excrutiating or impossible to give up smoking even if they want to, but they shouldn't be punished and prevented from spending time with their friends on a night out because of it.<br /> Perhaps things are turning around, and one day &quot;smoking rooms&quot; will be the norm, just as non-smoking rooms are now.</blockquote><br /> <br /> It would be quite the scenario. As technology advances and if energy costs ever drop again this might well be the solution that people come around to. The city I live in now has smoking rooms/parlours. The license are veeeeeery limited, but it seems to have a certain appeal to both sides of the issue. http://www.stephenfry.com/forum/topic/oh-for-gods-sake#post-39682 Sat, 06 Oct 2007 17:53:59 +0000 Shyamz 39682@http://www.stephenfry.com/forum/ As far as I can recall, there used to be a non-smoking room in most pubs in London, (I don't know if the same applies to other countries) and this idea seemed to work fine. Famillies could all have a night out together, away from the smoke, and anyone who fancied a quick one could pop into the bar next door to light up.<br /> <br /> What was wrong with that system? The smokers were happy, and any non-smoker who wanted a drink or a meal could have one without having to sit in the smoke. And I've never known a smoker who DIDN'T put out their ciggarette, or ask before lighting one, when people were eating, as most smokers I've met seem to have very good manners when it comes to eating out!<br /> <br /> Even though the pub has allways been seen as the traditonal smoker's hideaway, it's allways-at least in my experience-made concessions for others, and I never suffered as a child or adult, because we allways had somewere to get away from the smoke. <br /> <br /> It's for those reasons that I think the pub ban was a step too far to be honest, as I don't think a landlord or lady should be punished if their establishment provides a <em>nice</em> area for non-smokers to drink. Particularly now that there are even fewer places were a smoker is allowed to smoke.</blockquote><br /> <br /> Were these rooms divided by a low barrier from the smoking section? Or did they have a shared heating and/or AC system? If they had either the air was shared, which was the reason behind the CA ban (there had been some talk of allowing smoking areas if they were detached and operated on their own enviro. systems)</blockquote><br /> <br /> From what I can remember, most were seperate rooms, as this was still in the days of old-fashioned pubs, with lots of seperate areas, and most had not been renovated into the kind of open plan &quot;relaxation spaces&quot; that most pubs and bars are these days, in which the smoke still drifts, no matter how far away you are!<br /> Most of the pubs I remember as a kid from the various family functions I've been bored stiff at had their own seperate serving area in these rooms, and weren't tiny, dark dingey box rooms, but were large and heated. <br /> A seperate air conditoning system for an indoor smoking room is an interesting idea, after all, some people find it excrutiating or impossible to give up smoking even if they want to, but they shouldn't be punished and prevented from spending time with their friends on a night out because of it.<br /> Perhaps things are turning around, and one day &quot;smoking rooms&quot; will be the norm, just as non-smoking rooms are now. http://www.stephenfry.com/forum/topic/oh-for-gods-sake#post-39585 Fri, 05 Oct 2007 18:08:11 +0000 damellhine 39585@http://www.stephenfry.com/forum/ This was never a debate about whether smoking in public is right or wrong.<br /> <br /> Obviously the majority of non-smokers will be against - the smokers...for!<br /> <br /> The point of this thread which interested me was that SOME non-smokers are quite relaxed about the whole thing.<br /> <br /> That is what impressed me.<br /> <br /> As regards separate smoking areas and whether or not non-smokers have to breathe at least some of the same air, well of course it's inevitable this is going to happen to a degree.<br /> <br /> But then I don't suppose the cyclist felt too cool about breathing in the fumes from the exhaust of my lorry when I overtook him.<br /> <br /> Fact of the matter is smoking is bad, active or passive, this we all know. <br /> <br /> <em><strong>The fascinating thing about this topic was the degree of tolerance, or lack thereof.</strong></em><br /> <br /> <br /> Enjoyed the subject, guys. Thanks<br /> <br /> &quot;Cold Turkey&quot;<br /> <br /> <a href="http://www.bebo.com/Chapters.jsp?ChapterId=4046897814&amp;MemberId=4046803538">http://www.bebo.com/Chapters.jsp?ChapterId=4046897.....4046803538</a> http://www.stephenfry.com/forum/topic/oh-for-gods-sake#post-39512 Thu, 04 Oct 2007 23:39:35 +0000 Anonymous 39512@http://www.stephenfry.com/forum/ As far as I can recall, there used to be a non-smoking room in most pubs in London, (I don't know if the same applies to other countries) and this idea seemed to work fine. Famillies could all have a night out together, away from the smoke, and anyone who fancied a quick one could pop into the bar next door to light up.<br /> <br /> What was wrong with that system? The smokers were happy, and any non-smoker who wanted a drink or a meal could have one without having to sit in the smoke. And I've never known a smoker who DIDN'T put out their ciggarette, or ask before lighting one, when people were eating, as most smokers I've met seem to have very good manners when it comes to eating out!<br /> <br /> Even though the pub has allways been seen as the traditonal smoker's hideaway, it's allways-at least in my experience-made concessions for others, and I never suffered as a child or adult, because we allways had somewere to get away from the smoke. <br /> <br /> It's for those reasons that I think the pub ban was a step too far to be honest, as I don't think a landlord or lady should be punished if their establishment provides a <em>nice</em> area for non-smokers to drink. Particularly now that there are even fewer places were a smoker is allowed to smoke.</blockquote><br /> <br /> Were these rooms divided by a low barrier from the smoking section? Or did they have a shared heating and/or AC system? If they had either the air was shared, which was the reason behind the CA ban (there had been some talk of allowing smoking areas if they were detached and operated on their own enviro. systems) http://www.stephenfry.com/forum/topic/oh-for-gods-sake#post-39449 Thu, 04 Oct 2007 16:59:35 +0000 Shyamz 39449@http://www.stephenfry.com/forum/ I've just realised that I may have spelled ciggarette wrong, as Iv'e just realised that I'm not allowed to type &quot;f#g&quot; in the smoking sense. X-D http://www.stephenfry.com/forum/topic/oh-for-gods-sake#post-39447 Thu, 04 Oct 2007 16:53:16 +0000 Shyamz 39447@http://www.stephenfry.com/forum/ As far as I can recall, there used to be a non-smoking room in most pubs in London, (I don't know if the same applies to other countries) and this idea seemed to work fine. Famillies could all have a night out together, away from the smoke, and anyone who fancied a quick one could pop into the bar next door to light up.<br /> <br /> What was wrong with that system? The smokers were happy, and any non-smoker who wanted a drink or a meal could have one without having to sit in the smoke. And I've never known a smoker who DIDN'T put out their ciggarette, or ask before lighting one, when people were eating, as most smokers I've met seem to have very good manners when it comes to eating out!<br /> <br /> Even though the pub has allways been seen as the traditonal smoker's hideaway, it's allways-at least in my experience-made concessions for others, and I never suffered as a child or adult, because we allways had somewere to get away from the smoke. <br /> <br /> It's for those reasons that I think the pub ban was a step too far to be honest, as I don't think a landlord or lady should be punished if their establishment provides a <em>nice</em> area for non-smokers to drink. Particularly now that there are even fewer places were a smoker is allowed to smoke. http://www.stephenfry.com/forum/topic/oh-for-gods-sake#post-39286 Wed, 03 Oct 2007 17:13:15 +0000 Anonymous 39286@http://www.stephenfry.com/forum/ Possibly it comes from living in California for 22 years but I support public smoking bans. The city I live in now (Calgary, Alberta, Canada) also recently installed a ban and despite the worries of the opposition the world did not, in fact, end. In fact most bars and clubs have reported increased patronage. Having grown up indoctrinated into a system of non-smoking (I don't even remember a time when it was legal, in fact) I can never quite comprehend areas that allow smoking; it's dangerous, smells foul, and is generally detrimental to EVERYONE, not just the person who chooses to smoke.<br /> <br /> Re: Smoking bans in cars. California is trying this too, except it only applies to vehicles that include children under the age of 18. There was an attempt to ban it full stop on the basis that it provides a distraction to drivers but it pretty much got shut down by cell phone and fast food interests. http://www.stephenfry.com/forum/topic/oh-for-gods-sake#post-39241 Wed, 03 Oct 2007 12:29:25 +0000 Anonymous 39241@http://www.stephenfry.com/forum/ I don't see what right people really have to have a go at smokers. It's personal choice at the end of the day! <br /> <br /> Everyone in my family and most people in my circle of friends smoke and i wouldn't dare tell them to put it out if i was hanging around them. The only minor complaint i have is if i'm eating and someone is smoking whilst sitting next to me, you tend to get a lung full of smoke as you take a bite.<br /> <br /> I think the new law they are trying to pass in Britain at the moment is stupid, they want to fine people for smoking in their car! http://www.stephenfry.com/forum/topic/oh-for-gods-sake#post-39231 Wed, 03 Oct 2007 10:26:15 +0000 amyl_nitrate 39231@http://www.stephenfry.com/forum/ Oh yeah don't get in other people's faces about your choices. I hate for instance those smokers who say selfish and mean things about non-smokers like they shouldn't come in the pubs so we can smoke! Mmmm so now all of a sudden you have the right to deny people from going somewhere they want to go just because you don't agree with their personal choice? Grow up!