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PamJH


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Posted Tue Mar 3rd, 2009 3:53pm Post subject: Book rec needed from German readers
Or anyone else with this insight.

I would like a book on German history that discusses the Treaty of Versailles and how it was a catalyst for WWII. The catch? The book has to appeal to high school students and must be objective. My daughter doesn't care for history so it can't be too complicated. However, my son does enjoy it, so a book for him can be a little more involved.

We do have the U.S. view on this, but the German view would round it out much better. We homeschool, by the way, so that's why I can be flexible in choosing books.

Thank you for your help.

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Maxx England


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Posted Tue Mar 3rd, 2009 4:24pm Post subject: Book rec needed from German readers
I will try to remember this and talk to my brother Blind Kenco about this. He's a wargamer/history freak, so he should have some idea.

The only way is forward. Now where's the bar?

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PamJH


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Posted Tue Mar 3rd, 2009 4:27pm Post subject: Book rec needed from German readers
I will try to remember this and talk to my brother Blind Kenco about this. He's a wargamer/history freak, so he should have some idea.

Thank you, sir.

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TinaL


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Posted Tue Mar 3rd, 2009 7:33pm Post subject: Book rec needed from German readers
why did you choose homeschooling?
I'm interested in your thoughts
I'd love to go back some years and try it...

@bertawooster

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Maxx England


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Posted Tue Mar 3rd, 2009 8:42pm Post subject: Book rec needed from German readers
It worked for my nephew, he wasn't doing at all well at school, so my sister decided she'd have a go herself. Seems to have succeeded.

The only way is forward. Now where's the bar?

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Soupy Twist


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Posted Tue Mar 3rd, 2009 8:57pm Post subject: Book rec needed from German readers
Or anyone else with this insight.

I would like a book on German history that discusses the Treaty of Versailles and how it was a catalyst for WWII. The catch? The book has to appeal to high school students and must be objective. My daughter doesn't care for history so it can't be too complicated. However, my son does enjoy it, so a book for him can be a little more involved.

We do have the U.S. view on this, but the German view would round it out much better. We homeschool, by the way, so that's why I can be flexible in choosing books.

Thank you for your help.

Since you addressed German readers: Are you thinking of German books which you would translate for your kids or English books by a German historian? Wolfgang Benz's excellent books are always worth reading, several of them are translated, but I don't know how much they would appeal to high school students.

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Jarus


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Posted Tue Mar 3rd, 2009 10:24pm Post subject: Book rec needed from German readers
I'd also be very interested in some suggested reading material for that time period and especially on the formation of the Weimar Republic. It's what my current module is on and it would be helpful to read some material from a German Historian, cultural bias does seem to seep it's way into History.

Thanks for suggesting Wolfgang Benz Soupy, this sounds like exactly what I was looking for:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Concise-History-Third-Reic.....amp;sr=8-7

It appeals to me Pam and I'm a teenager, perhaps it will appeal to your son?

Oh and I was tutored for the last 4 years at home (teaching myself now) due to being too ill to go to school regularly and it didn't do me any harm *Twitches*

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PamJH


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Posted Tue Mar 3rd, 2009 11:22pm Post subject: Book rec needed from German readers


Since you addressed German readers: Are you thinking of German books which you would translate for your kids or English books by a German historian? Wolfgang Benz's excellent books are always worth reading, several of them are translated, but I don't know how much they would appeal to high school students.

I should have been clearer. My apologies. I cannot translate anything except a little bit of Galore Park Latin. I'd like English books by a German historian or really any historian who can put the situation in perspective. American history texts tend to be jingoistic in their attitudes; that's why I never use them. It think a lot of people are unaware of the damage the Treaty of Versailles did to the German people and to many people around the world as a result.

I could try the Benz books. I can always read with the kids and explain any tricky points.

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PamJH


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Posted Tue Mar 3rd, 2009 11:24pm Post subject: Book rec needed from German readers
I'd also be very interested in some suggested reading material for that time period and especially on the formation of the Weimar Republic. It's what my current module is on and it would be helpful to read some material from a German Historian, cultural bias does seem to seep it's way into History.

Thanks for suggesting Wolfgang Benz Soupy, this sounds like exactly what I was looking for:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Concise-History-Third-Reic.....amp;sr=8-7

It appeals to me Pam and I'm a teenager, perhaps it will appeal to your son?

Oh and I was tutored for the last 4 years at home (teaching myself now) due to being too ill to go to school regularly and it didn't do me any harm *Twitches*

Jarus, you and the other younger people are some of the many reasons I like this forum. You explain yourself well, you're helpful and you provide insight I can't get anywhere else. As for teaching yourself, my kids are doing more and more of that all the time. That leaves me more time to investigate resources.

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PamJH


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Posted Tue Mar 3rd, 2009 11:30pm Post subject: Book rec needed from German readers
why did you choose homeschooling?
I'm interested in your thoughts
I'd love to go back some years and try it...

I homeschool not because I don't like the schools here, but because I feel they can't do enough. My son loves history, so his education is centered with that. My daughter loves literature, so she gets to read vast numbers of books. I like homeschooling's flexibility and the idea that I can do what I want on any given day. I do follow state guidelines as far as numbers of classes, but I have a wide range of options because either I can teach or send them to the local college for classes.

We don't neglect math and science, but my kids aren't geared to those subjects. They have to have 2 years of algebra and a year of geometry to gain acceptance into most colleges, so I'm not going to bother them with calculus or trig. And they should have three sciences, one being a lab, but they can choose the other two.

When the kids ask me, "What did the German people think about the Treaty of Versailles? I can find a book and take the time to let them read it. Schools don't always have that option.

And it's fun. And we're all very close and I love that, too.
Did I read somewhere that homeschooling is not really an option in Germany? You can PM with your answer if you like.

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Soupy Twist


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Posted Wed Mar 4th, 2009 8:32am Post subject: Book rec needed from German readers


Since you addressed German readers: Are you thinking of German books which you would translate for your kids or English books by a German historian? Wolfgang Benz's excellent books are always worth reading, several of them are translated, but I don't know how much they would appeal to high school students.

I should have been clearer. My apologies. I cannot translate anything except a little bit of Galore Park Latin. I'd like English books by a German historian or really any historian who can put the situation in perspective. American history texts tend to be jingoistic in their attitudes; that's why I never use them. It think a lot of people are unaware of the damage the Treaty of Versailles did to the German people and to many people around the world as a result.

I could try the Benz books. I can always read with the kids and explain any tricky points.

No need to apologise. I was asking because there are many excellent German books on that subject, which unfortunately are not available in English. Apart from Wolfgang Benz I could recommend Eberhard Kolb, The Weimar Republic. It not only provides a thorough overview of the history of the interwar years but also of the many causes (the treaty of Versailles being one of them) of the failure of the Weimar Republic.

P.S.: I like your concept of homeschooling. In Germany homeschooling is illegal. We have "Schulpflicht", compulsory school attendance.

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PamJH


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Posted Wed Mar 4th, 2009 3:13pm Post subject: Book rec needed from German readers
I was asking because there are many excellent German books on that subject, which unfortunately are not available in English. Apart from Wolfgang Benz I could recommend Eberhard Kolb, The Weimar Republic. It not only provides a thorough overview of the history of the interwar years but also of the many causes (the treaty of Versailles being one of them) of the failure of the Weimar Republic.

P.S.: I like your concept of homeschooling. In Germany homeschooling is illegal. We have "Schulpflicht", compulsory school attendance.

Thank you for the Kolb recommendation. I appreciate everyone taking the time to respond.

Homeschooling is illegal in Germany? That's unfortunate, really, because a lot of parents would be quite good at it, I'm sure. But then again, I believe homeschooling is illegal in other places, too.

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Maren


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Posted Fri Mar 6th, 2009 3:18pm Post subject: Book rec needed from German readers
sorry, I have no recommendation concerning in particular the Treaty of Versailles - but perhaps you could try the books of Sebastian Haffner - he was a well known publicist (and contemporary witness) who wrote about empire, Weimar Republic and National Socialism.
I think there must exist some translations.

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PamJH


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Posted Fri Mar 6th, 2009 4:14pm Post subject: Book rec needed from German readers
sorry, I have no recommendation concerning in particular the Treaty of Versailles - but perhaps you could try the books of Sebastian Haffner - he was a well known publicist (and contemporary witness) who wrote about empire, Weimar Republic and National Socialism.
I think there must exist some translations.

Thanks, Maren, for the rec. I'll be looking into these resources during the weekend. Ya'll are spectacular.

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