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Swainer


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Posted Wed Jan 21st, 2009 5:17pm Post subject: Does Stephen Fry take any bi-polar medication?

Q: Do you take medication?
Stephen:
I'm fortunate enough not to be medicated or, so far as I can tell, need medication. But the idea that once you start on medication and each time you go off it you seem to get worse is a very grim one. It really is a very serious condition.
Thanks for that. But that answer is ambiguous. Phrases such as "fortunate enough not to be medicated" and "so far as I can tell [I don't] need medication" are entirely consistent with the significant possibility that he doesn't take medication despite medical advice that he should.

My friend, who refuses to take medication despite medical advice, would proudly tell you that he is "fortunate enough not to be medicated" and that 'as far as he can tell' (i.e. in his opinion only) he doesn't need medication.

Stephen Fry needs to provide a more specific answer.

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michael


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Posted Wed Jan 21st, 2009 5:19pm Post subject: Does Stephen Fry take any bi-polar medication?

i don't think he needs "calling out", he never advocated one thing for all people. he went a long ways in the doc to find people at all points in the spectrum, and to educate the public about how differently it affects people and what different treatments there are.
Hang on. Stephen Fry met almost universal acclaim for his series on the subject. He also commands a lot of public respect and so anything he does or says has a big impact...on my friend's health for example. He therefore has some kind of moral responsibility to ensure that what he does or says doesn't set a bad example. Refusing to take medication contrary to medical advice is probably one of the worst cases of setting a bad example that I can think of...hardly deserving of public acclaim.

So...yes...of course he should be 'called out' to explain his position and I find it frustrating that he hasn't been.

well...i disagree....but mostly cause i have a high belief in free will, which means YOU make your own decisions and take responsibility for them.

then again, i'm american, and forget others don't put 100 percent into that way of thinking....so, let's not go there right now.


tbh i think you are feeling angry about the situation with your friend and putting it somewhere else.probly more important to help your friend than discuss philosophy, or get angry right?

(but i'm gonna leave this thread for now, as that'll probly help you get that help. no need to continue that other line for now.)

"HELLO I'M TACTILE !" is an anagram of my name

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Swainer


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Posted Wed Jan 21st, 2009 5:29pm Post subject: Does Stephen Fry take any bi-polar medication?
Probably more important to help your friend than discuss philosophy, or get angry right?

The problem with this philosophical question is that it affects the real lives of real people. An answer to it WOULD help my friend.

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Anonymous


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Posted Wed Jan 21st, 2009 6:02pm Post subject: Does Stephen Fry take any bi-polar medication?

Q: Do you take medication?
Stephen:
I'm fortunate enough not to be medicated or, so far as I can tell, need medication. But the idea that once you start on medication and each time you go off it you seem to get worse is a very grim one. It really is a very serious condition.
Thanks for that. But that answer is ambiguous. Phrases such as "fortunate enough not to be medicated" and "so far as I can tell [I don't] need medication" are entirely consistent with the significant possibility that he doesn't take medication despite medical advice that he should.

My friend, who refuses to take medication despite medical advice, would proudly tell you that he is "fortunate enough not to be medicated" and that 'as far as he can tell' (i.e. in his opinion only) he doesn't need medication.

Stephen Fry needs to provide a more specific answer.

Well a more concrete answer to the question of medication, I cannot find, you'd have to go to the man himself.

In my opinion he doesn't need to provide a more specific answer but I understand how this could affect you, it must be really difficult, to feel someone you care about is not helping themselves because of someone else's opinion and actions.

Medication is a tricky subject for me, I had a bad experience before and it has left me very reluctant to try any other form of medication, I however have not had a proper diagnosis yet, when I do I will weigh up the pros and cons and take into consideration the experts advice AND what I want, so I can understand a reluctance to take medication but I can also see how this could affect the people close to me.

Difficult situation, thats for sure.

Take care

Tg

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gadgetgirl


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Posted Wed Jan 21st, 2009 6:54pm Post subject: Does Stephen Fry take any bi-polar medication?

i don't think he needs "calling out", he never advocated one thing for all people. he went a long ways in the doc to find people at all points in the spectrum, and to educate the public about how differently it affects people and what different treatments there are.
Hang on. Stephen Fry met almost universal acclaim for his series on the subject. He also commands a lot of public respect and so anything he does or says has a big impact...on my friend's health for example. He therefore has some kind of moral responsibility to ensure that what he does or says doesn't set a bad example. Refusing to take medication contrary to medical advice is probably one of the worst cases of setting a bad example that I can think of...hardly deserving of public acclaim.

So...yes...of course he should be 'called out' to explain his position and I find it frustrating that he hasn't been.

My recollection of the documentary was that he interviewed a number of people who gave a very positive account of why medication worked for them. In fact it made me think about the subject quite hard, because I've always disliked the idea of taking a "miracle pill" to feel better. It is clearly a personal choice though, and I know a couple of people personally who found that a course of drugs worked very well for them.

Frankly it seems you are blaming Stephen Fry as much as your friend is using him as an excuse.

That would be me.

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Swainer


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Posted Thu Jan 22nd, 2009 2:30am Post subject: Does Stephen Fry take any bi-polar medication?
Frankly it seems you are blaming Stephen Fry as much as your friend is using him as an excuse.

Exactly!

I blame him for producing a documentary in which he tries to garner respect (and seems to have achieved significant success in same) for having 'broached the issue'. But that he then hides behind ambiguous platitudes with regard to his own behavior!

And yes....as a result of those platitudes; and as a result of those ambiguities, he has conveniently ducked the issue as to whether one should follow medical advice or not...and caused significant grief to those of us who deal with this issue every day.

So yes I am angry! But I do realise that logic gives way to the 'fan boi' mentality that one might expect in forums that qualify the domain: http://www.stephenfry.com!

Basically I think that you guys should wake up and smell the roses....but pigs will probably fry first!

I suppose I should be grateful that my blasphemous comments haven't been censored (so far) by the 'moderators' who undoubtedly defend The Great One; He who provides the Choc Chocs.

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Anonymous


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Posted Thu Jan 22nd, 2009 2:52am Post subject: Does Stephen Fry take any bi-polar medication?
EXCUSE ME!

I have been nothing but nice and understanding to you.

Thats a very sweeping statement to make isn't it "Basically I think that you guys should wake up and smell the roses....but pigs will probably fry first!"

If you want to get down to tit for tat than I'm your gal, seriously, keep the insults to yourself, just because we didn't give you the answer you wanted, doesn't mean we've all got our heads up Mr Fry's arse, I don't necessarily agree with his view point on Bi Polar medication but its HIS view not mine and he's entitled to it.

I'm sick of people being utter shits to each other in this place, if you don't like what we've said then move on and ask someone else, don't get shitty.

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Swainer


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Posted Thu Jan 22nd, 2009 3:09am Post subject: Does Stephen Fry take any bi-polar medication?
EXCUSE ME!............ just because we didn't give you the answer you wanted, doesn't mean we've all got our heads up Mr Fry's arse
And I'm glad to hear it! At least there'd be no danger of suffering from Anthropophobia in that orifice!

I'm sick of people being utter shits to each other in this place, if you don't like what we've said then move on and ask someone else, don't get shitty.
Ok. Point taken. Actually, I apologise. I don't think everyone who contributed to this thread can be tarred with the same brush; but after two pages of contributions it seems odd that I've had little support.

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Anonymous


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Posted Thu Jan 22nd, 2009 3:23am Post subject: Does Stephen Fry take any bi-polar medication?
You know what the best support I can give you is to just listen coz I have no answers for you, I have my own opinions on medication, I have my own opinions on Mr Fry, I am not in your situation but I can empathize, I can understand how its difficult and so frustrating because there's really not much you can do to change the situation your in, since that pesky Mr Fry is so enigmatic and ambiguous.

It comes down to the fact that, we can't make up others minds for them, even when we can see that its not helping them, even if you managed to find a concrete piece of evidence thats said that Stephen Fry went against medical advice would it really change your friends mind, I'm not sure, coz it sounds to me like SF is an excuse, maybe there's another high profile celebrity that doesn't take medication, maybe there's one who does.

It must fucking suck arse ('scuse the language but I'm still slightly pissed off due to other factors not just your post) to be in your position, so I wish you all the best and I wish your friend all the best.

Incidentally, if you really wanted to ask the man himself I'd suggest writing to his fan mail address.

Tg (who's very loyal to Mr Fry but does have a mind of her own believe it or not)

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Nitro


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Posted Thu Jan 22nd, 2009 6:40am Post subject: Does Stephen Fry take any bi-polar medication?
I think Mr.Fry would really risk being worn out for as long as this forum continues if he ever answered a question on here as himself. Answer one, and they all come X-D

So Swainer, I think tallyg's correct in suggesting you try to contact the man directly somehow to answer your question given it's one no one else can answer. We can speculate but how close to on target would we be?

My curiosity in your circumstance is, well...let's say Mr.Fry answered your friend directly. Imagine the ideal situation. My experience with bi-polar folks is that, so long as they're resistant to trying medication, any logical answer will often inspire just new questions, new rationalizations, and new justifications. Maybe your friend would find some article where a doctor argued against medication and in favor of lotus flowers, or some other celebrity with bi-polar who thinks marijuana is the best medicine ( aka not taking Rx from doctors )..

Is Mr.Fry guilty of this? Maybe, maybe not. I've no idea what 'bi-polar light' is like and imagine it might be even more difficult, in some ways, to deal with than a 'heavier'(?) version in the sense it's hard to tell where those normal 'funks' many people get into begin and clinical depression ends. I don't know.

Ultimately, the real imperative is making sure your friend is willing to try mediation before excusing himself from the attempt. Again I'd remind him that his brain and Stephen Fry's do not occupy the same skull so using Mr.Fry's brain as his model doesn't really make much sense.

Really? Wow.

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gadgetgirl


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Posted Thu Jan 22nd, 2009 9:29am Post subject: Does Stephen Fry take any bi-polar medication?
*edit* I think instead of trying to pick a fight here you really need to talk to your friend. There's no point in escalating this any more. Sorry Katysara.

That would be me.

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katysara


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Posted Thu Jan 22nd, 2009 3:36pm Post subject: Does Stephen Fry take any bi-polar medication?
katysara, do you have any material from the bipolar foundation that includes words from him? i could swear i remember something that said "with help you can feel better"...but don't see it on that site. maybe it was on the bbc site. even something like that might help?

The only formal quote we from Stephen that have on the Bipolar Foundation website is this one: http://www.bipolar-foundation.org/index.aspx?o=1125

Guys the insults stop NOW. Swainer said something pretty offensive but did apologise, and is in a difficult situation. If insults continue I will lock this thread. Play nicely.

I stand by my opinion in my post above that Stephen gave a balanced view regarding medication. Yeah he seemed scared of it, but he made no bones of the fact that for some/most people it is needed. I think we are all scared of our medication to some extent.

KSx

I am an administrator on this site.

"Having a great intellect is no path to being happy."
~ Stephen Fry

See my website: www.katysaraculling.com

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Mikal


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Posted Sat Jan 24th, 2009 1:16am Post subject: Does Stephen Fry take any bi-polar medication?
Swainer, have you watched the documentary? Stephen implicitly states that he has been advised about Lithium from his Psychiatrist - told to think it over (it does, after all, require immensely long-term administration). His phrasing is "I refused his offer and have never taken it." However, as you wrongly suspect, he doesn't approach it one-sidedly. Directly after that scene from the documentary he shows Richard Dreyfus' side of the story: Unlike Stephen, Richard actually took Lithium.

Refusing medication was a personal choice. He neither gives it extra publicity, nor advises others to do the same. As I've said, he proceeds directly on to give Dreyfus a say on how successful Lithium and other medications were for him.

This whole scenario actually reminds me of the old ABOFAL sketch Bishop and the Warlord; where they find themselves with a lawsuit on their hands because someone has taken the lyrics of their song literally, and obeys anything she hears through song. For your friend, it ultimately boils down to "If Stephen Fry told you to stick your head in a fire, would you do it?" - I'll fulfill MY moral obligation and tell you NOT to actually ask your friend that question, but mull it over yourself.

Also, ChrisB, this thread is exclusively about Bipolar Disorder. I don't really think there's much chance of anyone mistaking it for Borderline Personality Disorder - In this thread.

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Anonymous


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Posted Sat Jan 24th, 2009 4:26pm Post subject: Does Stephen Fry take any bi-polar medication?
Also, ChrisB, this thread is exclusively about Bipolar Disorder. I don't really think there's much chance of anyone mistaking it for Borderline Personality Disorder - In this thread.

How do you know that then?

And what anyone (who's she?) calls something here doesn't alter what it is actually called in the open world. BPD means what it means in the specialised language of health and can mean anything you want in the general world. But this 'conversation' is in respect of health so don't be so fucking insulting to me.

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Mikal


Member

Posted Sat Jan 24th, 2009 5:06pm Post subject: Does Stephen Fry take any bi-polar medication?
I know that because people here actually read the thread's contents and can see that it is clearly a conversation on Bipolar Disorder.

Yes, it means what it means in the Specialised World of Health(R), but this is not the specialized world of health. This is an online forum. In much the same way as LOL can mean both Laugh Out Loud and Lots of Love, on the Internet things can have the same acronym too, which is acceptable provided everyone knows the correct meaning. This thread is clearly on Bipolar Disorder.

Also, there's no need to resort to profanity. I wasn't being insulting to you, I was just mentioning that people here understand what Swainer means in reference to BPD. However, should you wish to retain using profanity, I respectfully request you fuck off. Don't go looking for fights that aren't there.

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