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Anonymous


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Posted Sat Jan 24th, 2009 8:15pm Post subject: Does Stephen Fry take any bi-polar medication?
I know that because people here actually read the thread's contents and can see that it is clearly a conversation on Bipolar Disorder.

Yes, it means what it means in the Specialised World of Health(R), but this is not the specialized world of health. This is an online forum. In much the same way as LOL can mean both Laugh Out Loud and Lots of Love, on the Internet things can have the same acronym too, which is acceptable provided everyone knows the correct meaning. This thread is clearly on Bipolar Disorder.

Also, there's no need to resort to profanity. I wasn't being insulting to you, I was just mentioning that people here understand what Swainer means in reference to BPD. However, should you wish to retain using profanity, I respectfully request you fuck off. Don't go looking for fights that aren't there.

What you are forgetting is that there will be people with BPD reading this, and especially there will be people who possibly are reading this and i) don't know what either disorder is and/or ii) may be thinking that they may have something that is either of these disorders.

So don't make sarcastic remarks to me, ie don't be so fucking rude

Don't go looking for fights that aren't there you say .

That is the provocative sort of statement that is typical of someone doing what your telling me not to.

So go back to the thread and do whatever you do.

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Mikal


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Posted Sat Jan 24th, 2009 9:00pm Post subject: Does Stephen Fry take any bi-polar medication?

What you are forgetting is that there will be people with BPD reading this, and especially there will be people who possibly are reading this and i) don't know what either disorder is and/or ii) may be thinking that they may have something that is either of these disorders.

So don't make sarcastic remarks to me, ie don't be so fucking rude

Don't go looking for fights that aren't there you say .

That is the provocative sort of statement that is typical of someone doing what your telling me not to.

So go back to the thread and do whatever you do.


What you are forgetting is that there will be people who are able to use Google to great effect to find out what each of these disorders are, should the event arise wherein they do not know what these two disorders are. However, there is an extremely remote chance that people will confuse this thread as being on the subject of BPD, when it exclusively (our posts excluded) contains Bipolar Disorder discussions. As for your second point; Yes, there may well be people online reading this and thinking they may have either of those disorders, but I really don't know what you're trying to suggest with that point, or it's relevence to what you're saying.

Again, knock off the profanity. There's no need to be a tosser online. You're supposed to be some form of Messiah, supposedly. How do you think it would look to Christians worldwide if Jesus said "Verily I say unto thee, get thine fucking self out from my custom!"? Calm down. If you have a problem then say so, but don't attach a 'fucking' prefix or suffix. If you think I am being overly rude or sarcastic, then say so and I will tone it down, but do it in a polite way. I'm not trying to start an argument with you, and I really don't see how "Don't go looking for fights that aren't there" is a provocative statement... I would have thought it quite the opposite.

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Anonymous


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Posted Sat Jan 24th, 2009 9:33pm Post subject: Does Stephen Fry take any bi-polar medication?
You assume people do as you do. You're wrong.

Thats my advice, not that you want it. But then i didn't want your assumptions either.


Just to remind you or anybody else what i originally said, that you picked up on, and to see how unconfrontational my post was, I said this, and maybe you should wonder why you had to say anything at all.

May I say that BPD is generally recognised as the acronym for Borderline Personality Disorder not Bipolar Disorder, which in my experience of mental health settings in UK is known as Bipolar Disorder or BD or (i think - i would have to look it up in notes) Mood Affective Disorder

I am an ex-Borderline Personality Disorder patient who does not wish people unfamiliar with these terms to think Bipolar Disorder and BPD are the same thing - they are very different in many ways, with different causes, though they share symptoms to a degree.

Chris

In my experience of being in closed therapeutic groups the most effective remedy for the people i have known with BD has been a combination of medication and dialectical behavioural therapy - this does result in less chaotic experiences for the people with Bipolar in those groups.



Don't think any further comment from me is helpful.

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katysara


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Posted Sat Jan 24th, 2009 9:50pm Post subject: Does Stephen Fry take any bi-polar medication?
I am saddened to read this thread. Sad no one tried to play nice when I asked. Sad that certain people who often have a great deal of good to say lowered themselves in this conversation, and sad that there are people out there feeling bad. I think it is right to always be as accurate as possible, but I don't think it is the be all and end all.

I'm not locking the thread despite the profanity and insults (yet) because I think these things are better out than in... but I will lock it if people start to gang up on anyone in particular or if it gets out of hand.

Play nice, we all want the same thing.

KSx

I am an administrator on this site.

"Having a great intellect is no path to being happy."
~ Stephen Fry

See my website: www.katysaraculling.com

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Mikal


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Posted Sat Jan 24th, 2009 10:11pm Post subject: Does Stephen Fry take any bi-polar medication?
Chris, I didn't 'pick up on' your post so that I could be confrontational. I mentioned that this thread was exclusively on Bipolar Disorder, so there wasn't any chance of people mistaking it for BPD; you just assumed I was having a go or being sarcastic or something, and started swearing; some other stuff happened, life continues.

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Anonymous


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Posted Sat Jan 24th, 2009 10:34pm Post subject: Does Stephen Fry take any bi-polar medication?
Chris, I didn't 'pick up on' your post so that I could be confrontational. I mentioned that this thread was exclusively on Bipolar Disorder, so there wasn't any chance of people mistaking it for BPD; you just assumed I was having a go or being sarcastic or something, and started swearing; some other stuff happened, life continues.


Also, ChrisB, this thread is exclusively about Bipolar Disorder. I don't really think there's much chance of anyone mistaking it for Borderline Personality Disorder - In this thread.


Listen up - i didn't say medical world i said medical language so talking about bipolar or whatever is using medical language

- second this or any thread is not exclusively about what you say it is about
- and third i don't give fuck what you think people are likely to think cos you are not those people - what aspect of 'assumption' did you not understand. And this - I don't really think there's much chance..... is sarcatic and antagonistic - it is belittling the person with the differnt point of view.

I am sure you will want to reply and you probably will. I have said everything i want to say in the way i want to and seem to have been allowed to, and so take this how you want, but there is more than a grain of truth in how i have characterised your thoughts and actions on these two pages. Before you automatically disagree you might just read through and ask yourself if that is what you do. Then reply.

Chris

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Mikal


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Posted Sat Jan 24th, 2009 10:39pm Post subject: Does Stephen Fry take any bi-polar medication?

Also, ChrisB, this thread is exclusively about Bipolar Disorder. I don't really think there's much chance of anyone mistaking it for Borderline Personality Disorder - In this thread.


Listen up - i didn't say medical world i said medical language so talking about bipolar or whatever is using medical language

- second this or any thread is not exclusively about what you say it is about
- and third i don't give fuck what you think people are likely to think cos you are not those people - what aspect of 'assumption' did you not understand. And this - I don't really think there's much chance..... is sarcatic and antagonistic - it is belittling the person with the differnt point of view.

I am sure you will want to reply and you probably will. I have said everything i want to say in the way i want to and seem to have been allowed to, and so take this how you want, but there is more than a grain of truth in how i have characterised your thoughts and actions on these two pages. Before you automatically disagree you might just read through and ask yourself if that is what you do. Then reply.

Chris

I really am foaming at the mouth to reply to your...whatever that was. Katysara would like the thread to continue On-Topic, however, so I'll just let that slide.

I will, however, leave you with the following jumbled words: Kettle. Black. Pot.

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Anonymous


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Posted Sat Jan 24th, 2009 11:29pm Post subject: Does Stephen Fry take any bi-polar medication?
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Posted Sat Jan 24th, 2009 11:31pm Post subject: Does Stephen Fry take any bi-polar medication?
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Nitro


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Posted Mon Jan 26th, 2009 9:24pm Post subject: Does Stephen Fry take any bi-polar medication?
Chris, my apologies if what was a momentary lapse of typing laziness on my part caused any of this irritation. I'm sorry that it has come to two people who do not, I don't think, actually know each other being at odds when perhaps face to face any misunderstanding might be taken less intensely.

I'm most sorry that a thread started by someone who is trying to help a friend, and also somewhat frustrated with what he/she feels is a lack of firm representation for medication by Mr.Fry, has spiraled out any anger and thus sort of maybe perhaps taken his thread a little off track.

Swainer, whatever your feelings about Mr.Fry's stance on his own condition, I do hope your friend finds some peace somehow.

Really? Wow.

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Anonymous


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Posted Mon Jan 26th, 2009 9:51pm Post subject: Does Stephen Fry take any bi-polar medication?
Well, it did prompt a poem in me :

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HilaryCaprani


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Posted Thu Jan 29th, 2009 9:26am Post subject: Does Stephen Fry take any bi-polar medication?
Hello all,

I work for the mental health charity Rethink, and I am constantly appalled by the amount of stigma and discrimination people face when they have a mental health problem like Bipolar. That includes people's medication needs /side effects being ignored. Rethink does lots of campaigning in this area - if you want to find out about it, or get involved go to http://www.rethink.org

The main problem is that mental health problems are still so stigmatised, and treated differently from physical problems. Stephen Fry has kindly agreed to be part of a big campaign called Time to Change, which is all about ending the stigma and discrimination faced by people with mental health problems. You might have seen Stephen in adverts in the national papers and elsewhere - on the tube, outdoor posters etc.

You can find out about the campaign, and read about Stephen's own story at http://www.time-to-change.org.uk

There is also an active facebook group (search Time to Change).
Thanks, and best wishes with getting the right help and services XXX

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michael


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Posted Thu Jan 29th, 2009 5:21pm Post subject: Does Stephen Fry take any bi-polar medication?
Hello all,

I work for the mental health charity Rethink, and I am constantly appalled by the amount of stigma and discrimination people face when they have a mental health problem like Bipolar. That includes people's medication needs /side effects being ignored. Rethink does lots of campaigning in this area - if you want to find out about it, or get involved go to http://www.rethink.org

The main problem is that mental health problems are still so stigmatised, and treated differently from physical problems. Stephen Fry has kindly agreed to be part of a big campaign called Time to Change, which is all about ending the stigma and discrimination faced by people with mental health problems. You might have seen Stephen in adverts in the national papers and elsewhere - on the tube, outdoor posters etc.

You can find out about the campaign, and read about Stephen's own story at http://www.time-to-change.org.uk

There is also an active facebook group (search Time to Change).
Thanks, and best wishes with getting the right help and services XXX

thank you so much Hilary, i was hopin someone would have helpful articles that connect with him, in case that helps swainer's friend.

side note, was looking at the rethink page you sent, i love the idea for the siblings group!! for me siblings are easier to open up to and lean on than parents are. something about the kid-parent dynamic that is ...i don't know...a little troubled with guilt. on both sides.

"HELLO I'M TACTILE !" is an anagram of my name

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Monsoonmalabar


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Posted Mon Feb 9th, 2009 11:08pm Post subject: Does Stephen Fry take any bi-polar medication?
To reply to the original question YES Stephen Fry does now take medication. He revealed this in an interview with Mark Lawson which can be seen here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L--oBIBXrGQ
The question is asked at 3:19.

The answer is ambiguous, however.
Hope this helps.

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Swainer


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Posted Sun Apr 5th, 2009 2:14pm Post subject: Does Stephen Fry take any bi-polar medication?
To reply to the original question YES Stephen Fry does now take medication. He revealed this in an interview with Mark Lawson which can be seen here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L--oBIBXrGQ
The question is asked at 3:19.

The answer is ambiguous, however.
Hope this helps.

Sorry to reopen this topic but I've only just come back to this website and I can't let the last comment go without qualification.

In the above interview Stephen Fry is asked directly whether he now takes medication for his Bipolar Disorder. True to previous form, he pointedly ignores the question. Instead he admits to taking an anti-smoking drug that "started life as an anti-depressant". I suspect that he's referring to Z y b a n (a.k.a. Wellbutrin, when used as an anti-depressant) . He does NOT say that his doctor prescribed this drug for anything other than helping him to give up smoking. Nor does he suggest that Z y b a n would be the drug of choice if his doctor WERE to prescribe medication for his Bipolar Disorder.

It seems to me that the question as to whether Stephen Fry refuses to take medication for his Bipolar Disorder, contrary to medical advice, remains conspicuously open.

I'd also really like Stephen Fry to address the question as to how his family and friends cope with his manic episodes? My friend is now out of hospital and continues to refuse medication. On a mania scale of 1 to 10, he's probably about a 3 or 4 and he's been at that level for weeks. Socially, he's a pain in the ass at times and is best taken in small doses. How his girlfriend copes is a mystery to me. What frustrates me is that he's rational enough to understand that his decision not to take medication has a significant negative impact on all those who know him. But his view is that he expects us to put up and shut up. Is that Stephen Fry's answer to his family and friends?

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