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greentree

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Posted Mon Jan 4th, 2010 10:45pm Post subject: I don't know what to do
mcOOw - just a suggestion - could you show him that last post you made? It seems that you find it easier to write than verbalise what you're thinking - or is that cos we're all 'strangers' whereas he's a friend?
Maybe that would be a way of him seeing that you are sorry and concerned, and grateful for all his help, without having to go through the 'agony' (which it can sometimes be) of telling him face to face.
Citalopram huh.... yup, me too, and am kinda up and down on it too. It also makes me dog tired, and that's only 20mg! If you're not getting on with your meds, definitely see if they can be changed, it's a wise move.
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quantumofire

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Posted Mon Jan 4th, 2010 10:56pm Post subject: I don't know what to do
It's great that you tried to patch things up straightaway, m00c0w. Sometimes we don't make up over arguments and friends can so easily drift apart.
Good friends are very precious things. I seem to have been very unlucky with mine.
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Breaking contradictions in his mind was, to him, like walking through a winter forest snapping twigs underfoot.
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m00c0w

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Posted Tue Jan 5th, 2010 6:56pm Post subject: I don't know what to do
I can't take this any more. I really can't. Sunday despite the awkwardness in the morning between me and my friend I was fine. Yesterday I was fine. Today I have felt even better - almost to the point of wondering what was wrong with me in the first place - you know, right up there.
Until this evening I got an email from said friend asking me how I was, and at the time I was great. Now though (pretty much 15 minutes after sending the email)- I am back to uncontrollable sobbing and the thoughts of doing away with myself again - and I don't know why. I don't know what has brought this on all of a sudden.
I really, truly am sick of this roller coaster ride of emotions. Emotions that I can't control - they control me. I don't think any type of medication is going to help me because what I am on (and it's a lot more than 20mg!) isn't working. Talking to someone either helps for a short period of time, or makes me feel worse, and the only person I care for lives miles away so I feel so alone. I have no one else, and no one else gives a damn about me.
How can I make this all stop? I want to make it stop. Someone PLEASE help me and make it stop! I'm not asking now - I am begging and I'd do anything!
Someone..... please help me.
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michael

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Posted Tue Jan 5th, 2010 7:30pm Post subject: I don't know what to do
it can get better MooCow, and i think most people here will agree that the ups and downs continue as you & a doc work on medications & figure out what works for you. It takes time for your body to show improvement, and after that, you and the doc can decide if you need to adjust the dosage. it's a really tough time, but you can make it.
if your friend is asking how you are, they want to know. call them back, write them back, or talk to us.
and if it is really feeling unbearable, CALL YOUR DOC. every patient who is new to a psych med is supposed to be monitored closely, they want to hear from you if it feels worse instead of better, ok?
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michael

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Posted Tue Jan 5th, 2010 7:33pm Post subject: I don't know what to do
and from what i've experienced and what others tell me of thier experiences, it's very common for a doc to start you on a low dosage and up it from there... for many reasons: if you have bad side effects, they won't be so bad, and if you may be bipolar but undiagnosed, that can keep a manic phase from happening.
that's what makes it a hard time, getting used to it and going thru the low dosage time can have lots of ups and downs, i remember feeling much the way you do now!
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michael

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Posted Tue Jan 5th, 2010 7:35pm Post subject: I don't know what to do
p.s. from what i can find on the internet, it's possible to be put on up to 60mg of citalopram
probly someone else here knows more about that
i've never taken it myself
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greentree

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Posted Tue Jan 5th, 2010 8:11pm Post subject: I don't know what to do
mc00w, if things are at desperation point, i would echo michael and say call the GP, call the samaritans, get yourself to A&E....make contact with someone, somewhere.... call the local mental health trust crisis team, just don't go it alone.
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quantumofire

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Posted Wed Jan 6th, 2010 1:55pm Post subject: I don't know what to do
Hello m00c0w,
I'm sad to hear you were feeling so bad last night. Sometimes you can go from a feeling of get positiveness and energy to utter despair. It's like a fuse suddenly blowing and all the lights going out.
I hope you feel better today. A little more steady and restive.
xxxx quantum
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Breaking contradictions in his mind was, to him, like walking through a winter forest snapping twigs underfoot.
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m00c0w

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Posted Thu Jan 7th, 2010 8:42pm Post subject: I don't know what to do
I've been to the doctors today and my meds have been changed. I'm to take a month coming off of Citalopram and in the mean time start on Mirtazapine.
However, the interesting thing he said was don't just stop taking Citalopram because "you will hit a real nasty low". Really thought I! - maybe that's just what I need!!
And so the idea of just stopping the Citalopram has entered my head. Even though I have thrown my GBL away - I can still get it (!), and I can easily get Mephedrone which is legal and apparently equally as bad. So easy that I've just ordered 2 grams of it - 10 doses. The GBL would take a few weeks to come through, so I can't be bothered waiting.
I'll take the meds until that arrives and then I shall see what happens. Why is it I still want to push people away and still want to die? I've even thought of going to a nightclub and then od-ing there, so it doesn't look like a suicide attempt. I think my mum would live with that a little more than me being depressed and then doing it.
I've turned my mobile phone off, and unplugged the one in the house I am that down. I don't want to talk to anyone!
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marzgirl

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Posted Thu Jan 7th, 2010 9:49pm Post subject: I don't know what to do
Don't give up yet m00c0w. Give the new med time to work. I take 40mg citalopram myself. I never thought it did much and was very inconsistent taking it. When I moved the new psych doc asked lots of questions about school, how things were growing up, blah, blah...Then he told me I am ADHD and have been, so that is why the citalopram did not work. I still take it but with my ADHD med now. The doc asked if I had poor hand writing. I said well, I am left handed, don't all left handed people have bad hand writing? My hand writing has improved actually since starting the ADHD med.
Please do give the new med a chance m00c0w. Call your brother if you are feeling unsafe please!! Also I know KatySara is happy to help in any way she possibly can and has given you her contact information previously.
We are all here for you. Keep us up to date. XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
"Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that."
~Martin Luther King Jr.~
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m00c0w

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Posted Thu Jan 7th, 2010 10:10pm Post subject: I don't know what to do
Calling my friend is the last thing I want to do right now. Besides - what can he do?? Really...........
I've known him for about 7 years now, and it's within the last year we have become close. Beforehand this was all clear cut and simple - I knew what I wanted to do and when. Now, letting someone get close to me has made things quite complicated. We have so much planned together too - a holiday in March, a music festival, a few concerts etc - through to September.
At the moment in my head, I'm not going on holiday because I don't want to spoil it for anyone. A holiday is a holiday and he needs a break from me! The concert in a few weeks time - *shrug*. The rest I can sign over to him. It's all paid for, but I can take the financial hit - it's not like I spend my money on anything really.
The way I see it - he'll be fine a week or so after I'm gone - if that. My mum obviously will take longer, but she'll get over it. Life carries on after all doesn't it?! It's just that I don't want it to.
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marzgirl

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Posted Fri Jan 8th, 2010 1:02am Post subject: I don't know what to do
No one ever gets over it. My Aunt was killed in a car accident when she was 15yrs old. My Grandmother is now 93yrs old and she has never stopped talking about her and missing her. My mom was only 9yrs old when she died and also talks about her often and always knew her first daughter would be named after her. That would be me.
Although her death was an accident, none of them were ever the same. Including me. I did not even know her, but they always used to say things to me like "your Aunt would never treat her sister like that."
I always thought I would die when I was 15 just like she did. Perhaps that is why I rebelled so much. If she was so good and died then I would be bad and live.
The fact is your mom would never recover. I have not lost my kids, but knowing what my Grandmother went through and being a friend to a couple who lost their son to an illness at age four I guaran damn tee you your mom will not "get over it".
XXXXXXX
"Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that."
~Martin Luther King Jr.~
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Maxx England

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Posted Fri Jan 8th, 2010 4:29pm Post subject: I don't know what to do
I know a woman whose 2 children both died young, this is over 40 years ago, and she still hurts. I have lost friends in accidents, I still think about them. I think about my father most days, and he died over 40 years ago.
Trying to convince yourself won't change anything. You are a real, flesh and blood, human being and you are part of peoples' lives. Leaving irreversibly will rip a huge hole in their world.
None of us here can tell you what to do, but I'm going to ask you to talk to your doctor about counselling and therapy as a matter of urgency. Take a printout of this along with you if it will help.
I did stuff the hard way, went into my own darknesses alone and conquered some of my own bogeymen; it really wasn't pleasant and I'd hate to think of anybody as far down the black slope as you are, going there without anybody to guide their steps.
The poor self image, feeling of worthlessness, they have roots in experience and conditioning. You need to see that the experience and conditioning are not a correct reflection of your actual personality and worth in the world.
Most of us here know that sensation of self loathing, disgust, guilt at our own weaknesses and faults. We fight them daily, and sometimes our suns shine. I want, we want you to have your days in the sun too.
The only way is forward. Now where's the bar?
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katysara

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Posted Sat Jan 9th, 2010 4:12pm Post subject: I don't know what to do
It's never really helpful to make a suicidal person feel more guilty about the pain and suffering they will cause by their actions. We all know we will hurt people, we all struggle terribly with guilt over this, and those of us who go through with suicide either decide their pain is worse why should they suffer it, or that their loved ones will get over it. Or both - as in my case when i tried.
So I'm not here to make you feel bad about that - it is your right as a human being to do with your life as you choose, collatoral damage cannot be avoided.
I still have my gbl, not sure I could get more now it's class C. As for Mephedrone that is an odd choice - not very reliable, what made you come up with that. More effective when mixed with certain other drugs I'm obviously not going to mention... still I do wonder where you think these things up from.
MIRTAZAPINE IS GREAT, far better than what you were on IMHO. It will (should) help you get a better nights sleep. You can go up to 30mg or even 45mg. Take it at night. If you have the tablet kind allow an hour before bed time. If you have the dissolving kind take when you go to bed.
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marzgirl

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Posted Sun Jan 10th, 2010 2:09am Post subject: I don't know what to do
I tried to respond to the idea that the people left behind don't just get over it in a factual way, not trying to add to any guilt. I am sorry if I did.
XXXXXX
"Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that."
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