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henrywarren


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Posted Mon Oct 27th, 2008 3:30pm Post subject: Is St. Louis Horrible?
I'm distressed.

After shouting at CNN and more specifically Sarah Palin for the last few months, I've decided to go to America and help with the Obama campaign. Putting my money where my mouth is so to speak.

My wife thinks I'm mad. She has a point.

The Democrats have asked me to go to St. Louis in Missouri which is a marginal state. So I was really looking forward to seeing it on the the show. I wanted to get excited about helping out in a place which until last week I couldn't even put on a map.

Whilst it was informative it left me feeling as if perhaps I should have gone to Florida...

Could Mr. Fry or his distinguished followers let me know if it's as much of a dump as it looked?

Can anyone tell me anything positive about St. Louis. Surely it can't be that bad. Can it? Even Lonely Planet has but a few paras about it and they're not exactly glowing.

I'm screwed aren't I? I knew I should have insisted on Florida...

Henry

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TobiasMonk


Moderator

Posted Mon Oct 27th, 2008 3:54pm Post subject: Is St. Louis Horrible?
Could Mr. Fry or his distinguished followers let me know if it's as much of a dump as it looked?

Can anyone tell me anything positive about St. Louis. Surely it can't be that bad. Can it? Even Lonely Planet has but a few paras about it and they're not exactly glowing.

I'm screwed aren't I? I knew I should have insisted on Florida...

Henry

Fryphile can tell you about St. Louis, though I've a feeling you may have already screwed the pooch.

I cannot be awake for nothing looks to me as it did before, Or else I am awake for the first time, and all before has been a mean sleep.
Walt Whitman

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Fryphile


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Posted Mon Oct 27th, 2008 6:43pm Post subject: Is St. Louis Horrible?
Hello, Henry. I haven't seen that episode of Fry in America yet, but I read about his visit to Missouri in the book. I've been to St. Louie several times and it was perfectly charming. I may joke about it being a shithole, but that's because I'm from Kansas City, which is a sports rival city on the West side *flashes gang symbol* of Missouri. But really, I've never had any problems with it or the people. I'll have to wait and see how it was represented in the show.

I think of myself as someone who is filled with love, whose only purpose in life was to achieve love. - Stephen Fry

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Fryphile


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Posted Mon Oct 27th, 2008 9:57pm Post subject: Is St. Louis Horrible?
If the Griswolds survived it, so can you.

I think of myself as someone who is filled with love, whose only purpose in life was to achieve love. - Stephen Fry

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j9r


Member

Posted Tue Oct 28th, 2008 12:43am Post subject: Is St. Louis Horrible?
If I had to choose between St. Louis and Florida for the democrats I would pick St. Louis. Sure there are some less than desirable parts of the city but with 400,000 people you would expect that. There's lots nice parts, and pretty parts and if your lucky they might actually send you outside of the city, the hills of Missouri are beautiful. And they have some really good food. And that arch is really cool - the elevators are very funky and the view is spectacular.

Florida you can see on any cheesy America TV show and I don't think they would be sending you to Miami Beach - and you saw what Stephen thought of that.

---j

"I'm from New Jersey, if the world ended today, I'd adjust" - John Gorka

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Mares


Member

Posted Tue Oct 28th, 2008 3:09am Post subject: Is St. Louis Horrible?
I'm distressed.

After shouting at CNN and more specifically Sarah Palin for the last few months, I've decided to go to America and help with the Obama campaign. Putting my money where my mouth is so to speak.

My wife thinks I'm mad. She has a point.

The Democrats have asked me to go to St. Louis in Missouri which is a marginal state. So I was really looking forward to seeing it on the the show. I wanted to get excited about helping out in a place which until last week I couldn't even put on a map.

Whilst it was informative it left me feeling as if perhaps I should have gone to Florida...

Could Mr. Fry or his distinguished followers let me know if it's as much of a dump as it looked?

Can anyone tell me anything positive about St. Louis. Surely it can't be that bad. Can it? Even Lonely Planet has but a few paras about it and they're not exactly glowing.

I'm screwed aren't I? I knew I should have insisted on Florida...

Henry

St. Louis is wracked with problems, that's for sure, but you can't write it off that way. Like many other cities across the US, it's lost jobs, has seen crime increase, as all communities with increased joblessness have. There are many good people there, and for the most part the people there are polite and kindly, and it can have a small town feel to it.

There are good and bad parts of the city, but it also has a fighting spirit to pull out of it's economic bad times. I've been to St. Louis, and had a wonderful time, and it has a wonderful, thriving music scene as well. I saw the Bottle Rockets play at a local club and they were amazing. St. Louis is also the home town of the late Johnnie Johnson. Johnson was the pianist for Chuck Berry, and his piano playing was the inspiration for Berry's song stylings.

It would also depend on what the party/campaign expects of you. If it's door to door canvasing, I wouldn't do it unless I was part of a group. But I'm sure there are many things they might ask you to do. Ask them what they had in mind.

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IdeaCollector


Member

Posted Tue Oct 28th, 2008 4:07am Post subject: Is St. Louis Horrible?
Saint Louis was just lovely when I was there 4 years ago or so. Florida is never nice though.

I used to be EternalStudent on these forums until the switch over. So don't get excited..I'm not someone new and exciting. I'm just me :P

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Mares


Member

Posted Sun Nov 9th, 2008 5:13am Post subject: Is St. Louis Horrible?
I'm distressed.

After shouting at CNN and more specifically Sarah Palin for the last few months, I've decided to go to America and help with the Obama campaign. Putting my money where my mouth is so to speak.

My wife thinks I'm mad. She has a point.

The Democrats have asked me to go to St. Louis in Missouri which is a marginal state. So I was really looking forward to seeing it on the the show. I wanted to get excited about helping out in a place which until last week I couldn't even put on a map.

Whilst it was informative it left me feeling as if perhaps I should have gone to Florida...

Could Mr. Fry or his distinguished followers let me know if it's as much of a dump as it looked?

Can anyone tell me anything positive about St. Louis. Surely it can't be that bad. Can it? Even Lonely Planet has but a few paras about it and they're not exactly glowing.

I'm screwed aren't I? I knew I should have insisted on Florida...

Henry

Henry, did you end up going? I'm curious to find out how things went, if you did.

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MartyKS


Member

Posted Sun Nov 9th, 2008 11:51pm Post subject: Is St. Louis Horrible?
I'm distressed.

After shouting at CNN and more specifically Sarah Palin for the last few months, I've decided to go to America and help with the Obama campaign. Putting my money where my mouth is so to speak.

My wife thinks I'm mad. She has a point.

The Democrats have asked me to go to St. Louis in Missouri which is a marginal state. So I was really looking forward to seeing it on the the show. I wanted to get excited about helping out in a place which until last week I couldn't even put on a map.

Whilst it was informative it left me feeling as if perhaps I should have gone to Florida...

Could Mr. Fry or his distinguished followers let me know if it's as much of a dump as it looked?

Can anyone tell me anything positive about St. Louis. Surely it can't be that bad. Can it? Even Lonely Planet has but a few paras about it and they're not exactly glowing.

I'm screwed aren't I? I knew I should have insisted on Florida...

Henry

St. Louis, like every major city in the US, is run by Democrats. Usually, that means run in the ground. Funny how no one ever takes a look at our largest cities and makes the connection between the governance and the crime/poverty/corruption.
CNN told multiple lies about Gov. Palin as part of the Obama campaign. They have forfeited their freedom of the press when they became Obama advocates rather than reporters.

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IdeaCollector


Member

Posted Mon Nov 10th, 2008 2:58am Post subject: Is St. Louis Horrible?


St. Louis, like every major city in the US, is run by Democrats. Usually, that means run in the ground. Funny how no one ever takes a look at our largest cities and makes the connection between the governance and the crime/poverty/corruption.
CNN told multiple lies about Gov. Palin as part of the Obama campaign. They have forfeited their freedom of the press when they became Obama advocates rather than reporters.


Actually large cities tend to be democratic because the amount of people with post secondary degrees is higher and for some reason (speculate how you will) people with post secondary degrees tend to be liberal.

As for the forfeiting the freedom of the press...this election felt much more balanced than the last two have. The era of the Bush controlled right wing media is over and Sarah Palin came across as insane even on Fox News.

I used to be EternalStudent on these forums until the switch over. So don't get excited..I'm not someone new and exciting. I'm just me :P

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Mares


Member

Posted Mon Nov 10th, 2008 6:07am Post subject: Is St. Louis Horrible?


St. Louis, like every major city in the US, is run by Democrats. Usually, that means run in the ground. Funny how no one ever takes a look at our largest cities and makes the connection between the governance and the crime/poverty/corruption.
CNN told multiple lies about Gov. Palin as part of the Obama campaign. They have forfeited their freedom of the press when they became Obama advocates rather than reporters.


Actually large cities tend to be democratic because the amount of people with post secondary degrees is higher and for some reason (speculate how you will) people with post secondary degrees tend to be liberal.

As for the forfeiting the freedom of the press...this election felt much more balanced than the last two have. The era of the Bush controlled right wing media is over and Sarah Palin came across as insane even on Fox News.

I will try to behave myself while responding to this, but I don't know how successful I'll be. I won't stereotype all people with post secondary degrees, but a good many of the one's I've met, aren't liberal, or democratic, I'd say all out, goose stepping, arm extended straight out in the Bund salute, barking fascist. A few of the ones I know on a few forums/blogs were banned from the sites because they let their inner racists out, using a particularly nasty racist epithet.

I've come to realize that democratic elites, have regressed backwards to when they were the party of slavery. Not all democratic leaders, but more than one would expect.. and academia, well it's common knowledge that academics helped bring Hitler to power.

I've been a dem most of my life, because for most of that time, democrats truly cared.. Since the '70s the party has gone downhill. If you look at what's been going on in inner cities, the poverty and suffering can be laid at the doors of democrats as well as republicans. I've watched the education system go down the toilet, because of academics who were deliberately dumbing down public education. Up 'til five or so years back, I would have written it off as a mistake, but not any longer.

Urban areas have been largely democratic, not because of college educated people, but because of the working class people that lived in inner city areas,, union workers. Of course some college educated people were democrats, but they are not the main reason for those urban areas that were largely democratic, being that way.

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IdeaCollector


Member

Posted Tue Nov 11th, 2008 6:02pm Post subject: Is St. Louis Horrible?

I will try to behave myself while responding to this, but I don't know how successful I'll be. I won't stereotype all people with post secondary degrees, but a good many of the one's I've met, aren't liberal, or democratic, I'd say all out, goose stepping, arm extended straight out in the Bund salute, barking fascist. A few of the ones I know on a few forums/blogs were banned from the sites because they let their inner racists out, using a particularly nasty racist epithet.

I've come to realize that democratic elites, have regressed backwards to when they were the party of slavery. Not all democratic leaders, but more than one would expect.. and academia, well it's common knowledge that academics helped bring Hitler to power.

I've been a dem most of my life, because for most of that time, democrats truly cared.. Since the '70s the party has gone downhill. If you look at what's been going on in inner cities, the poverty and suffering can be laid at the doors of democrats as well as republicans. I've watched the education system go down the toilet, because of academics who were deliberately dumbing down public education. Up 'til five or so years back, I would have written it off as a mistake, but not any longer.

Urban areas have been largely democratic, not because of college educated people, but because of the working class people that lived in inner city areas,, union workers. Of course some college educated people were democrats, but they are not the main reason for those urban areas that were largely democratic, being that way.

Hmm...to each their own. I have lived all over the world and 99% of people I know with post secondary degrees are super liberals. I think Michael Moore is right when it comes to the democrats that ever since Carter left office they have lay down and let themselves be steam rolled and bullied. Complacency is never good in a part.

Still I stand for what the democratic party stood for and appears to be standing for again. Plus poverty is mainly a staple of institutionalized prejudice which can be laid at the feet of anyone who believes that people should pull them up by their bootstraps.

I used to be EternalStudent on these forums until the switch over. So don't get excited..I'm not someone new and exciting. I'm just me :P

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