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GDee


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Posted Fri Nov 26th, 2010 2:03am Post subject: Mr Fry: The Dreaded & Clouded Subject Of Religion

Dear Mr. Fry,
I am a great fan of your many programs and documentaries as well as your articles and other broadcasts. I am well aware about your views upon the Catholic Church and their history, but you never seem to discuss a religion a little closer to home. Although you are Atheist you do indeed have Jewish roots, which many saw you discover on national television. I was wondering if you have any views on Judaism's ideology?
Thanks
GDee


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miss_khan


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Posted Fri Dec 3rd, 2010 11:15pm Post subject: Mr Fry: The Dreaded & Clouded Subject Of Religion

I am quite happy to see a thread already made regarding this particular debate. I would like to take the opportunity to correct you in your thoughts that Islam "does not give women any choice regarding ..." Themselves etc.

Islam gave women the chance to speak to and choose their husband, a right to speak and to be heard. It also gave the woman to right to vote FOURTEEN HUNDRED years ago...endless rights include taking up employment, leading businesses, teaching etc. It places recommendations on dressing modestly only to not be objectified by men during prayer.

The only problem with Islam happens to be its followers who lead the world to misunderstand Islam.


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garyh


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Posted Sat Dec 4th, 2010 4:16pm Post subject: Mr Fry: The Dreaded & Clouded Subject Of Religion

miss_khan said:
I am quite happy to see a thread already made regarding this particular debate. I would like to take the opportunity to correct you in your thoughts that Islam "does not give women any choice regarding ..." Themselves etc.

Islam gave women the chance to speak to and choose their husband, a right to speak and to be heard. It also gave the woman to right to vote FOURTEEN HUNDRED years ago...endless rights include taking up employment, leading businesses, teaching etc. It places recommendations on dressing modestly only to not be objectified by men during prayer.

The only problem with Islam happens to be its followers who lead the world to misunderstand Islam.

Thank you, for posting an interesing and informative piece. I was
quite ignorant regarding these issues.

Love as always

Gary xxxx

I am, honestly...I am

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Nitro


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Posted Mon Dec 6th, 2010 7:27pm Post subject: Mr Fry: The Dreaded & Clouded Subject Of Religion

My problem with Islam is the absurd putting forth of the idea it is a 'religion of peace'. It is not. The Koran plainly states there should be only one world religion, that of Islam. In other words, Muslim is the way. That's not a thought unique to Islam as far as religion goes.

Currently there sits in a Pakistani jail, a Christian native, ( who are in a serious minority in Pakistan ), for being accused of 'insulting the prophet' by some other women she was picking berries with.

Her husband is on the run with their five children as she awaits her sentence. The law on the books demands her death, but it may be commuted. The problem is, hardline Muslims are gathering at the gates and demanding she be executed or else they will cause regional uprisings. Meanwhile, they daily threaten the lives of her husband and children.

'Heresy' as a law demanding death on the books is a problem because there is so much room for various groups to settle old grudges with each other simply by claiming So and So said something nasty about Mohammad.

Really? Wow.

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reventonrage


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Posted Tue Dec 21st, 2010 6:55am Post subject: Mr Fry: The Dreaded & Clouded Subject Of Religion

Personally, I believe that all religions have their own set of beliefs and their own share of controversies. There will always be people who will have something to say about this religion or another. I think that Islam is misunderstood by a lot who Islamists as terrorists. And who can blame them because of the terrorist attacks? However, I have a few Muslim friends who are the best of people and I think that criticism of Muslims should be reserved for the radicals.


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Nitro


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Posted Tue Jan 4th, 2011 3:34am Post subject: Mr Fry: The Dreaded & Clouded Subject Of Religion

revent, you will find in me a person more than happy to critique all religion across the board as it's my own pov.

But to argue Islam is kind to women and women have all these wonderful freedoms is absurd. Like many religions, the oppression of the female sex drive and control of it is at the heart of many 'don't do this or that' rules.

The issue, for me, isn't wether you can find a nice Christian or practicer of Shinto or Jew or Muslim. The issue, for me, is the bigger goals as well as how the followers of these religions are expected to behave and be treated ( the primary demand being that one checks their brain at the door before entering the mosque or the temple or the church ).

And, fwiw, whatever specific issue I have with Islam doesn't stop with fundamentalist crusaders.

Really? Wow.

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MrCartoonguy


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Posted Fri Apr 29th, 2011 10:24pm Post subject: Mr Fry: The Dreaded & Clouded Subject Of Religion

I'm a jedi

Reality is contigent; the only permanent concept in the multiverse is change - death. We are born into it and it follows us.

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Nitro


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Posted Sun May 1st, 2011 6:02am Post subject: Mr Fry: The Dreaded & Clouded Subject Of Religion

You are? Have you met Darth Vader yet? Is he your father by any chance?

Really? Wow.

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Frogsong2112


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Posted Wed May 18th, 2011 11:47am Post subject: Mr Fry: The Dreaded & Clouded Subject Of Religion

I have come to loathe religion. Since I left Christianity, I now feel spiritually free.


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Michael Booth


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Posted Thu Jan 19th, 2012 1:34pm Post subject: Mr Fry: The Dreaded & Clouded Subject Of Religion

You can't beat Anglicanism in my book. Choral evensong, cucumber sandwiches on the vicarage lawn, a nice bring and buy sale to save the church organ and no requirement to believe anything uncomfortable. We don't stone people, we don't burn heretics and though we might be in a dither about gays, we don't advocate slitting their throats like some scimitar-weilding koranistas...ah yes, give me All Gas and Gaiters anyday...


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TheDon


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Posted Sun Jul 29th, 2012 5:43am Post subject: Mr Fry: The Dreaded & Clouded Subject Of Religion

Every religious mob has their own short comings . I just find it strange that people don't view it as a guide to their spiritual life and use it as a set of rules . I personally try to stick to the basic guidance of love one another and each to their own . We will never fully agree on the who has the right set of rules but just engage your heart and a sense of logic ( yes I can see the hypocrisy in that statement ) and just accept we will never truly know until we shuffle off this mortal coil .


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TheDon


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Posted Sun Jul 29th, 2012 5:43am Post subject: Mr Fry: The Dreaded & Clouded Subject Of Religion

Every religious mob has their own short comings . I just find it strange that people don't view it as a guide to their spiritual life and use it as a set of rules . I personally try to stick to the basic guidance of love one another and each to their own . We will never fully agree on the who has the right set of rules but just engage your heart and a sense of logic ( yes I can see the hypocrisy in that statement ) and just accept we will never truly know until we shuffle off this mortal coil .


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samuelh73


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Posted Thu Aug 16th, 2012 5:13am Post subject: Mr Fry: The Dreaded & Clouded Subject Of Religion

As a humanist, I am able to nimbly avoid such discussions of religion or, if pressed by a particularly ardent churchgoer, calmly explain why I could care less what religion they follow.

My parents were somewhat religious growing up (mainly due to their parents), but quickly grew tired of the "hellfire and brimstone" diatribes at the pulpit, and so gave my sisters and me the ability to decide for ourselves. In my humble opinion, it is the best decision any parent can make in regards to religious direction. Ironically, I was atheist for a short while because of religious bigotry rearing its ugly head within the family (My grandmother found out my sexual orientation [e.g., homosexual]), but time, life, and a greater understanding of the world and my place within it mellowed me into a nice warm humanist.


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WannaBeLinguist


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Posted Sun Feb 24th, 2013 11:30pm Post subject: Mr Fry: The Dreaded & Clouded Subject Of Religion

I dislike fundamentalist thought in any religion. I'm glad they believe strongly but they have no jurisdiction to tell me what and how I should go about believing in something. I'm Catholic, that will not change especially now. That is that.

That is an excellent question-- I don't know.

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MVesseur


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Posted Sun Mar 17th, 2013 9:12am Post subject: Mr Fry: The Dreaded & Clouded Subject Of Religion

Raised a Jehovah's Witness, but just couldn't continue as a fundamentalist Christian (which is what JWs are, though they would deny it) anymore. Faded out of the community about 6 years ago. Couldn't officially step out of it for fear of being disfellowshipped, thus losing all contact with some of my closest relatives. Religion serves its purpose for some - people invented it for a reason - but those that wish to live or think otherwise should be left alone. Still, it's been tough living outside that close-knit community - there is no replacement.


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