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tito


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Posted Thu Oct 22nd, 2009 5:13pm Post subject: Politics and Divisions

I'm like you Marzgirl, not the American bit but the spritual bit.


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marzgirl


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Posted Mon Nov 2nd, 2009 12:52am Post subject: Politics and Divisions

This is off the last topic but still fits into this thread I think.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEDi-pMoA7M

"Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that."
~Martin Luther King Jr.~

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Nitro


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Posted Wed Nov 4th, 2009 4:19pm Post subject: Politics and Divisions

Me and a friend went around about some of this topic during a phone conversation recently. He is not a strict liberal and in fact has conservative leanings on some issues. But being gay, hardly what the Repubs consider prime membershihp material anymore. What with the whole Fundamentalist takeover and all...

Subtle bigotry is still bigotry after all and liberals are as guilty of it as conservatives. And I say this as a liberal btw...

I tend to think, more so than not anyway, that sexuality is 'fluid'. Now, I know that's unpopular with someone who is adamant about their hetero or homosexual life. But I sometimes suspect the straight who says,"Ain't no way in HELL am I gay and all those fags this that and the other..." and the gay person who says,"Ain't no way in HELL do I have a breeder bone in my body..." protest too much lol

There ARE people, after all, who after living decades as 'straight' come out as gay. And there are people who have lived their lives as gay who decide that they're bi or that they're straight. This too often pisses off the groups at either end of the spectrum IMHO.

The very fact that these individuals can change, or ( and I know this is an unpopular word ) 'choose' their orientation is what I think lends credence to the theory that sexuality is not necessarily a fixed state and that sometimes psychological influences come into play.

But god forbid you mention any of this anywhere populated heavily by one ( homosexuals ) or the other ( heterosexuals ). In fact, I don't recommend it. You're likely to get your eyes scratched out either way LOL

Really? Wow.

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marzgirl


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Posted Thu Nov 5th, 2009 4:48pm Post subject: Politics and Divisions

Well, I consider my self Republican in some things. I hate the idea of anyone "taking over". Be them fundamentalists, republicans...............

I think for the most part people cannot choose to be gay or straight anymore than they can choose their eye color or what hand they write with.
I know of several personal instances of people I know that don't seem to be able, or want to pick a side of the fence so to speak. One person I know said it had nothing to do with the gender of the person he was with. What mattered was finding the right person male or female who was right for him. Love unconditional is the ultimate goal I think.

"Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that."
~Martin Luther King Jr.~

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Nitro


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Posted Mon Nov 16th, 2009 8:42pm Post subject: Politics and Divisions

I saw this post, by an anonymous gay man, on a blog I was passing by. I love this sort of honesty:

"As a white gay man I have no faith at all that white gay men will do anything to assist in the liberation of women from racism, misogyny, or heterosexism.

I cut political ties with that part of "The Brotherhood" decades ago. To witness so many lesbian women helping out white gay men who were suffering from HIV/AIDS, and to not see white gay men organise to end white male supremacy is, well, "a disappointment" to say the least.

Adding insult to injury (or is it injury to injury?) is witnessing the ways white gay men celebrate white male supremacist values and culture, such as by finding humor in jokes that denigrate women, doing ridiculous imitations of what white gay men thing Black women talk like, economically displacing poor women, and by contributing financially to an industry (pornography) that maims and kills women daily.

No, I have no faith in white gay men to do anything other than to work to achieve the few privileges we don't have that white heterosexual men have. I call that political agenda racist, classist, misogynistic, and anti-lesbian."

For the men here, I would recommend a book by Marliyn French called 'The War On Women'. You may be tempted to blow it off as 'fantasy', since it is written by a feminist. Doing so would not be fair to the author, nor yourself. "Facts is facts" after all and the unwritten history of women is so rarely referenced in our man-centered world, that this book will give you historical references in one location. It's actually a huge attempt on French's part to do.

Men often blow women's complaints or pointing to historical facts as 'extreme', but extremity is the point when an entire section of human society has been so wrongly treated by the other half and for so long. Even when men claim they are against violence on women or 'woman as incubator', we very rarely see, if ever, groups of men gathering to protest against the men who do abuse women. It's a damn shame...

Add to this the fact that so many gay-men harbor an equally misyoginistic view of women as their hetero counter-parts do, and it's no wonder women get angry. They have more than a right to.

Really? Wow.

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