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Mares


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Posted Wed Nov 5th, 2008 5:28pm Post subject: Politics rant
Possibly the sexism in the States is stronger than the racism?



From my point of view there's no doubt about this. It is fact and it's fact the world over though, sadly, much worse in some parts of the world. For example, a young girl was recently stoned to death in Somalia. She was married but recently gang raped. She was then accused of adultery and dragged off by a mob of men to be stoned to death, which they did successfully. There are other details to this story, but I have, I think, relayed the reality of it. What's horrific, is that it is not particularly unusual.

Now, women in America aren't stoned to death anymore, ( as suspected witches, for instance ), but the hangover of Puritan misery still is embedded in our society on many levels. And while I know these various issues regarding women could be its own thread, Sarah Palin was an outstanding example of what I consider a woman who fully 'bought in' to a kind of soft-core misogony.
I say 'soft-core' because, if she was as fundamental a Christian as she has claimed then she would adhere to Pauls direction to Timothy that 'women should remain silent'. IOW, she would not have gone into politics but rather would've stayed at home cooking and being pregnant and the like.

So, to me, she is a living example of religious hypocrisy and how women, by buying into or playing along with sexist thinking, become female sexists. Women against women, so to speak.

Anyway, good point ysabella.

Women weren't stoned to death in America, I've read an awful lot about the struggles of women here, and I've never read any reference of that happening.

Regarding the accusations and sentences of those labeled witches, they weren't stoned to death either, nor were they burned. They were sentenced to hanging, and there were men who hung on that charge (also as accomplices). The closest you get to anything do with a stone, was poor old Giles Corey, of what is now Peabody, MA, who had stone weights placed upon his chest, hoping to get him to confess knowledge of witchcraft, implicate his wife, Martha. To the last, Corey demanded more weight be applied, because he would not lie to please those who accused him and his wife.

It's a bit silly to restrict misery to the "puritans", seriously, misery has been brought about by all faiths at one time or another, as well as by those who were athiests, including in to the current age. In all candor, if you can understand that it was wrong for the puritans to decide how one and all to think, how can you justify an excuse for whatever side you happen to belong to, to be able to demand the same? What about secular hypocrisy?

I dunno, perhaps the lack of distinction is unfortunately lost on some?

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Mares


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Posted Wed Nov 5th, 2008 5:41pm Post subject: Politics rant
[quote="gadgetgeekgirl"][quote="Mares"]

I infered from your posts that you were fed up with people discussing this issue and thought it had all been done and dusted. If I misunderstood then I apologise. Abortion is a subject that is rarely discussed over here in the U.K. IME.

Sorry if I hadn't made myself clear enough, but that wasn't my intent.

I've read the British papers online versions since the 2000 election, and from what I've read, abortion is discussed with the same frequency in the UK that it is in the US.

It's not a part of feverish discussion, well except by N.O.W., NARAL and Planned Parenthood.. as I stated, those organizations make the majority of their money from it, so they never stop. Most Americans focus on the real life issues that impact themselves, their loved ones, friends on a daily basis.

Sorry if my spelling, grammar, punctuation, etc... is worse than it usually is, I'm operating on an hour or so of sleep, as I didn't get to bed 'til late due to watching how a few political races played out.

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wooden_elf


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Posted Wed Nov 5th, 2008 5:56pm Post subject: Politics rant
RANT

I can not understand how people think America isn't ready for a black president!!! It shouldn't matter who you are and where you're from.

Sorry. I just had to write it down because it really pisses me off.

The results of last evening clearly show that race doesn't matter to most Americans



I am truly glad about that.

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Mares


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Posted Wed Nov 5th, 2008 6:39pm Post subject: Politics rant
Do you know what irked me in the worst way regarding the discussion in Europe and elsewhere on the subject? Reading an op-ed by Trevor Phillips, in either the Guardian or London Times, claiming that he felt that it was "wrong" for Obama to run for the presidency, in case he let American blacks "down" in one way or another.. it seemed to me, that Phillips problem with Obama's candidacy and his successes to that point (this was approx. late winter, early spring of '08) was one of ideological "purity", rather on the merits, of the candidate.

BTW, regarding what the rest of the world thinks regarding race in America, sorry, but I think what the rest of the world thinks/feels on the subject is pretty much a farce. When you consider the racial/ethnic, and I'll say it, ethical problems in all the countries of the world, including Europe.. my take is, please clean your own house, before deigning to judge. No offense intended, but if the expressed concern by the rest of the world was legitimate, you'd see them dealing with their own problems.

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gadgetgirl


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Posted Wed Nov 5th, 2008 7:39pm Post subject: Politics rant
[quote="Mares"][quote="gadgetgeekgirl"]

I infered from your posts that you were fed up with people discussing this issue and thought it had all been done and dusted. If I misunderstood then I apologise. Abortion is a subject that is rarely discussed over here in the U.K. IME.

Sorry if I hadn't made myself clear enough, but that wasn't my intent.

I've read the British papers online versions since the 2000 election, and from what I've read, abortion is discussed with the same frequency in the UK that it is in the US.

That's interesting, I actually meant it's not discussed much by people as opposed to being discussed in the media. Perhaps it is the same in the U.S. and we get a very distorted picture because of (occasional) stories of shootings at clinics.


It's not a part of feverish discussion, well except by N.O.W., NARAL and Planned Parenthood.. as I stated, those organizations make the majority of their money from it, so they never stop. Most Americans focus on the real life issues that impact themselves, their loved ones, friends on a daily basis.

Sorry if my spelling, grammar, punctuation, etc... is worse than it usually is, I'm operating on an hour or so of sleep, as I didn't get to bed 'til late due to watching how a few political races played out. I think that is quite understandable! I have no stamina for these things myself so hoped that when I woke up it would be happy news. And it was (for me)

That would be me.

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Anonymous


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Posted Thu Nov 6th, 2008 2:15am Post subject: Politics rant
"...in either the Guardian or London Times..."


There isn't a 'London Times'. There is a 'New York Times' and in the UK there is 'The Times'.

Respectfully yours,

A Times reader.




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Anonymous


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Posted Thu Nov 6th, 2008 5:26am Post subject: Politics rant
"A Times reader"


Is that not a classic case of stereotyping?

A Guardian reader.

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Anonymous


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Posted Thu Nov 6th, 2008 5:42am Post subject: Politics rant
"Is that not a clasic case of stereotyping?"


Stereophiles, they should be put in prison!

Outraged Daily Mail reader
(from Tunbridge Wells)

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Nitro


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Posted Thu Nov 6th, 2008 2:06pm Post subject: Politics rant
Mares, had I been 'restricting' misery to the Puritan hangover in America, I'd have never mentioned the far worse treatment women endure worldwide where Puritans may, or may not, have established themselves.

I wasn't trying to make a point so much as concur with another poster regarding sexism in American and also the even more horrific abuses women suffer under some sort of patriarchal thinking which is often rooted in religious fundamentalism the world over. You're right. The Puritans had no sole hold on restrictive behaviorial rules that choke the human spirit. They were Christians and Christianity doesn't exactly have a long history of egalatarianism.

Bother. I should know better than to try to post when I'm tired. My apologies for any erroneous remarks or confusion they may cause.

Really? Wow.

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keymaker


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Posted Sat Nov 15th, 2008 9:30am Post subject: Politics rant
It's why i'm hoping the right thing happens, I'm hoping that voter turnout is miles higher than the last few times around.
It was in fact miles higher in California so the right thing happened on Prop 8, right?

km

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Maxx England


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Posted Thu Nov 20th, 2008 5:41pm Post subject: Politics rant
Outraged Daily Mail reader

I press my buzzer, and shout "Repetition!"

The only way is forward. Now where's the bar?

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