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katysara


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Posted Mon Sep 17th, 2007 6:34pm Post subject: Saw my gp. The word "hospital" was mentioned.
My GP is really good. I sat in her office grumbling, angry, irritable, low, and she said she had never seen me so angry. I said, well yeah, it's called dysphoric mania. I'm mixed still. (We had agreed on that when I saw her a month ago).

I have to see my psychiatrist on Wed. I really hate him, he is an aloof, controlling, sexist wanker. Apparently my meds need "urgent reviewing" but I really am not interested. All their drugs do is take away mania, leave depression, and make me fatter and fatter and fatter. I told my GP that I really just want to tell my whole psych team to

Stuff it!

She said that would lead to me being put in hospital. So not really an option then.

I am slightly alarmed that my psych has changed my appointment from one of the local clinics to the psych ward of a Derby hospital. I hope that is just because he is busy and not a trap. So if I suddenly go quiet again...

Oh, and my gp agreed that if I kill myself now I will ruin my sisters wedding in December, so I really do have to hang on till January. The only reason I am alive is for other people. I suppose that's a reason.

Sorry. Bit heavy.

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Anonymous


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Posted Mon Sep 17th, 2007 6:45pm Post subject: Saw my gp. The word "hospital" was mentioned.
i don't mind hearing the heavy.

it's good to hear from you.

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katysara


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Posted Mon Sep 17th, 2007 7:00pm Post subject: Saw my gp. The word "hospital" was mentioned.
Thanks Banjo. I have been around, reading pretty much all of the posts but been lost for words for things to say....

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Anonymous


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Posted Mon Sep 17th, 2007 7:10pm Post subject: Saw my gp. The word "hospital" was mentioned.
from your words, it sounds like you really don't want to be put into the hospital.

is it just me, or is that a ray of light? since it's something that you WANT for YOURSELF?

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shatzi


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Posted Tue Sep 18th, 2007 4:09am Post subject: Saw my gp. The word "hospital" was mentioned.
You would probably do a lot more than "ruin a wedding." Offing yourself should never be an option, and I know how it feels to seem like you're living for other people. With me, I have set a goal to finish college, that's something for ME, and I'm not doing it to please anyone else. It feels great and is beneficial to actually be selfish sometimes. Suicidal thoughts maybe give some people a powerful feeling, and always doing things for others makes us feel powerless. So would telling the staff to stuff it.
If you really felt like nothing is left and everything is for everyone else you probably wouldn't post here, so there is definitely a ray of light there. "Until January?" By January you'll be glad you're still with us.
Tell us more about what's going on.

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katysara


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Posted Tue Sep 18th, 2007 1:53pm Post subject: Saw my gp. The word "hospital" was mentioned.
Banjo, the hospital thing - I HATE hospitals. I am supposed to be the dr helping people, not the patient being watched. It always makes me feel like crap. My last hospitalisation was in the middle of my PhD and I was in there for a year. I was on constant observations much of the time, to stop myself doing myself damage. I managed to escape a few times, only to be forced back (usually being picked up from Edward Buzzard ward, the A&E ward, following a suicide attempt). The whole experience just made me more and more ill. At one point they thought I might also have BPD but I saw an expert and apparently I don't have it, but I do have "an attachment disorder." What that means I have never really worked out.

I guess the truth is, I like to be in control, and as a patient, I am not in control.

Shatzi, I know in many peoples' eyes suicide is selfish, but I happen to believe that it is NOT selfish. For some people life is just not meant to be. The pain of living is too much, far more painful than the loss other people would feel were their loved one to end their life. I love my family dearly and I know they will be hurt. But they have lived my whole life knowing I have a depressive illness, then the bipolar diagnosis, and they have nearly lost me on a number of occasions. I think in some ways it will bring closure for all.

But you are both right. There is a small ray of light working its way through. Who knows?

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Saturn


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Posted Tue Sep 18th, 2007 2:24pm Post subject: Saw my gp. The word "hospital" was mentioned.
You know your family won't be the only one that will be upset, everyone here that has read all your posts about what you are going to do will be upset too.

I'm going to say what everyone else dare not say now...

To be honest I think it's grossly unfair of you to come on here and blatantly worry and distress everyone here with your plans. Everyone else reading this has had either suicidal thoughts or attempted suicide themselves [I've done both].

I'm not saying I don't sympathise with you - I do greatly, I know exactly how you feel I've been to that point many, many times in my life but you have to think about the people who are reading this who also may have similar thoughts now or in the past - how do you think we feel who are reading your posts?

And we don't even know you, what would those that love you feel like?

I don't think you're selfish, I've had that same argument myself about suicide etc. but it is selfish in my view to casually mention to a bunch of strangers that you're going to kill yourself and expect them to support you all the way.

Just because we've thought the same or had similar experiences doesn't mean it isn't a terrible thing to do to yourself and those around you.
In fact because many people will understand your position and your feelings it makes it worse.

No-one wants to die, not even me and there are times every day when I just can't bear the pain anymore - I write a mental and sometimes physical suicide note every day and go into agonies of what it would do to my family but I struggle on, I have to.

I totally understand that feeling of life you are only living because you don't want to hurt others.

However much you think it has badly affected your family and friends now, it will be nothing to what your death in such a way will affect them hereafter. You are condemning them to a lifetime of pain and suffering. They WON'T just "get over it".

You are in pain now I know, but to inflict a lifetime of pain on others is selfish.

I'm sorry if you are hurt by this but this is how I feel. hate me if you want, but I've been reading your posts the last few weeks and getting more and more upset by them, it hurts me to see someone write like that and I don't know you from Adam.

I truly hope you try and find some peace, some equilibrium, some hope.

My heart goes out to you, truly but please think before you write such things.

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Inducible


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Posted Tue Sep 18th, 2007 3:33pm Post subject: Saw my gp. The word "hospital" was mentioned.
They tend to threaten a hospital admission if you say you're going to go off your meds. But then again, if you're a diabetic or a TB-infected person, and threaten to go off meds, you'll get similar hard-handed tactics used. You're a smart girl, you understand the logic of that.

Ignore comments about suicide "being selfish" - that's just a whole other ball game - you shouldn't feel like you should stay alive just for the sake of your family. People who play the "selfishness" card don't realise how selfish they themselves are being to ask for someone else to stay alive for the sake of them - you're asking someone who's going through mental torture to endure it because you want them to, you're being selfish by telling them to consider your needs, and adding more pressure onto them.

Hold on to whatever gets you through the day - might be your family, might not be. Just because it isn't your family doesn't mean they aren't important.

The thing is with this illness, is it doesn't matter how many episodes you have, there's always the dread that this one is it. This is the one you'll never get out of - and, well, there's three ways to go from there, you either successfully kill yourself, do a good job of it but end up in hospital or things get better.

The first two are pretty permanent - with the latter resulting in the hospital admission you want to avoid. So, you hold out for the third option.

As for he pills, as I'm sure you know, there are options. If you take all the pills you're given, you'll be labelled compliant, and they might not be flexiable over changing meds because they've found a combo you'll take. But if you say you're going to stop taking everything, they're going to be equally inflexiable.

Propose to change one of your meds, ask for a taper schedual, ask for another med. Insist you want something for your depression. Bother them - ring them up for earlier appointments. Bother your GP. Start a fresh, make them listen, make them understand. This will be hell if you're going through mental toture, but if you want to kill yourself, you might as well exhaust all options before you do it. Take back some control and all that.

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shatzi


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Posted Tue Sep 18th, 2007 9:19pm Post subject: Saw my gp. The word "hospital" was mentioned.
Don't get me wrong, I never thought of you as selfish at all. I do echo what someone else said. Suicide is permanent, so every option must be tried first, and there are countless, from meds to finding your own personal meaning to live. I encourage you to BE selfish! Find a reason to want to live. I know, easier said than done, easy to tell me, when I'm on the carpet to "watch a movie or eat something to feel better." But then days come when I am glad to be alive to see the sun and hear the leaves blowing. I'm selfish and I want to see those things for a long time, even though years ago I went through the same phase where there was no point in being alive, and was into arm-cutting, I hated myself so bad.

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Anonymous


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Posted Tue Sep 18th, 2007 9:39pm Post subject: Saw my gp. The word "hospital" was mentioned.
There is a small ray of light working its way through. Who knows?

Mixed-KSx

that's true... who knows??

i hope for the best for you. i know you're a person who has struggled with this a lot. and i know, when you beat it, it won't be the first time. and to be realistic, even though i wish this weren't the case, not the last. i'm thinking that might be what you mean by closure?

it's hard to put up a fight knowing it goes on and on. if i could send you strength through my computer, i would!

i hope we can all have some good conversations with you during the winter.

here's to that ray of light... cheers.

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katysara


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Posted Wed Sep 19th, 2007 1:57pm Post subject: Saw my gp. The word "hospital" was mentioned.
Bit gobsmacked by what Saturn wrote. Am I not supposed to be honest? Best not say anything. Thanks to Inducible for common sense.

Off to meeting with psych now.

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Anonymous


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Posted Wed Sep 19th, 2007 2:00pm Post subject: Saw my gp. The word "hospital" was mentioned.
Bit gobsmacked by what Saturn wrote. Am I not supposed to be honest? Best not say anything. Thanks to Inducible for common sense.

Off to meeting with psych now.

Mixed-KSx

take care, good luck!

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katysara


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Posted Wed Sep 19th, 2007 2:07pm Post subject: Saw my gp. The word "hospital" was mentioned.
Thanks Banjo, really am going now...

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Red Raven


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Posted Wed Sep 19th, 2007 4:42pm Post subject: Saw my gp. The word "hospital" was mentioned.
I think that both sides of the "selfishness" argument make good points. That's all I have to say.

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katysara


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Posted Wed Sep 19th, 2007 7:07pm Post subject: Saw my gp. The word "hospital" was mentioned.
I'm saying nothing. It's been made clear that talking about feeling suicidal is not appreciated (I don't believe I said I am 'doing it by this method' or 'on this day,' I thought talking about feelings would be OK).

My meeting with psych was a total disaster. Totally hopeless and useless.

Bye take care everyone,
KSx

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