"Discussions of religion are banned in masonic lodges, so this would hardly be an issue. Besides which, like the Cubs or Scouts, men tend to come to masonry via their friends and a gay man is hardly likely to be hanging out with a Southern Baptist is he?"
Uh, the vast majority of Masons in the states extend well below the Mason-Dixon line. I'd think a well versed, upstanding and extremely knowledgeable Mason like yourself would know that and be able to understand a simple thing like 'context'. That's ok. Carrying on with your point...you're eating your own pipe and i'll show you why with your own words...
you say that you yourself lied about being an atheist as a kid yet seem
to think in the above paragraph that you might be the only Mason capable of such a thing in order not to rock the boat...I have little doubt that Masonry would encourage the use of subterfuge, indirection, and lieing to join an organization. For many that are not the 'rule makers' in Masonry, they join initially in hopes of making business connections. They generally STAY because they are aligned, and comftorably so, politically and socially with the other members. Please stop pretending there's some purity to Masonry not present in other org's.
as for the 33rd being a distinct christian org...wait, i thought there was no religion
in masonry? LOL
Women CAN NOT be free masons, and you're saying they can be is absolute falsehood...they are generally only included in lodge activity as side dishes in activities by point of being a mason's wife...there are organizations such
as "The Daughters of the Eastern Star", but they are not, by pure definition, MASONS...these is EASY TO FIND BY SIMPLY USING YOUR FAVORITE SEARCH ENGINES KIDS...
For my part, I know and have known Masons personally...I keep my distance, personally...
Would you like to start any more of your points with 'Erm...'? Makes you sound really
thoughtful instead of doing what you are, which is damage control.
As for the ceremonies, there are plenty on YT ( thank technology for busting out stuff like this versus having to rely on the never unbiased 'scoop' of actual
members ), of secret masonic videos on tape...I would recommend one filmed in Turkey
on a cell phone...I'm not talking conspiracy stuff here either...as for Masonic philosophy, that too can be researched with your favorite search engine...
point in fact: Masons ARE a sexist organization and the average Mason, particularly south of the Mason-Dixon line, are NOT FRIENDLY TO GAY PEOPLE....geezus petey, just look at the members general political affiliations: "pro-family", anti-gay, anti-choice, candidate must be a god believer
BTW, thanks for letting me know that Masonry is, in fact, a 'career'. As for my assertion that breaking the fealty of the oath an intitiate takes, you are flat either lieing or living in delusion land. Anyone here can look up the words of that oath and if they're so interested, I trust they will.
But, I trust even more that Masonry actually is what it is...a dieing organization. The numbers are dwindling faster than they are being replaced. Probably cheeses some people off, but hey, that's Life. Men actually DO grow up, imagine that
And, just like the Scouts will probably do and the Catholic church will do and many other denom's will do, they will either die out or change with the times. That does NOT erase their initial fundamental principles that they were founded on.
I don't like slavery, but it's a fact that humans enslave each other and will, given the chance. Thankfully, the affinity for slavery has, in the West at least, became unpopular and unjustifiable and abandoned.
"They are a traditional form of recognition that were once used by the Cathedral builders in the middle ages to tell the qualified builders from the cowboys."
Gotcha! That's a flat out lie.
And, are you going to actually try to deny that Masonry does not put forth that when you are presented with two potential employees, both of equal skills, that you should hire ONLY the Mason? Wouldn't want any cowboys taking jobs from you ol' boys eh? How in the world would you control the guilds and such? Tsk. It had nothing to do with 'qualified' versus 'cowboys'. That was the public rationalization to deflect accusation of unfair hiring practices by Masons. The fact is, those handshakes tell each other a lot more than you are letting on and they do, in point of fact, allow for discrimination AGAINST non-Masons in hiring.
roflmao...keep justifying 'Master' LOL
Nice of you to hope I don't get cancer, but if I do you can trust I won't be coming to you for the money to help AND, btw, I've already prepared for that. I adore your self-righteous arrogance though I don't think me getting cancer was a necessary scenario, was it? Well, otoh, I've noticed that when it comes to the true believer of anything, the rationale for doing and saying vile things is only a threat away, however indirect or direct.
BTW, I made it very clear in my former post that I was not speaking about masonry as represented in the UK but I'm also not going to sit here while you pretend that Masonry is more morally pure on some level than it is here in the states. You guys had absolutely NO problem with slavery or being slave owners either, and it's WHY there are divisions, still, between black and white lodges. I mean, come ON, stop obfuscating with watered down rhetoric meant to lull people away from the evil that men do just so you can actively recruit. And you guys are always recruiting and amping up who you are reaching out to and THAT is documented as well.
There are no secrets in Masonry. You're right, not anymore. Enough 'Masters' have jumped ship and renounced your organization and revealed just how (not)wonderful Mason ideology really is and, thanks to the W-W-W that information has spread like lightening. It's not a coincidence "Master" that Masonry's membership has fallen off as technology/data transfer has spread. You guys CAN'T be secret anymore, so I wouldn't surprised at all if there's plenty of internal philosophical 'culling' going on.
Aren't 'that secret'?
ROFL!! Ah, the stretches a true believer will take in order to deflect. Not 'that secret'.
I'll be chuckling all day over that one.