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disgusted


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Posted Mon May 11th, 2009 11:53pm Post subject: Stephen Fry's comments on Newsnight
After seeing Stephen Fry's comments on Newsnight tonight i had to make a post to say how disgusted i was with his comments on MP's expenses.

It highlights how completely out of touch with reality he is, thinking that it is ok for MP's to lie and be corrupt.

I used to think he was a ok guy but not anymore.

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bobthesox


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Posted Tue May 12th, 2009 1:09am Post subject: Stephen Fry's comments on Newsnight
Stephen may be one of the greatest living English Men but he totally out of touch with this one.

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exoskeleton


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Posted Tue May 12th, 2009 1:48am Post subject: Stephen Fry's comments on Newsnight
those folks probably coming back but if any future people drop in, this this the extent of the interaction that you saw?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/8045040.stm

the text below the video is worth reading. it seems as though the "that the expenses revelations should not put people off voting" part has been a bit lost. I am assuming he was just asked (by a journalist, of course) whether these revelations should indeed put people off from voting, or maybe whether the public justified in being ambivalent about voting, or something like that, and he took the "no" answer to a bit of an extreme. hence the "we're fighting for" bit as well, "we" being the group he is with encouraging people to vote. </assumption>

sockdolager.

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Rags


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Posted Tue May 12th, 2009 1:20pm Post subject: Stephen Fry's comments on Newsnight
I want to say I was also upset - hurt - by Stephen's comments on MPs expenses. I don't feel important, or that my comments will matter - but he is someone I have always enjoyed reading and watching, and somehow I would like him to know. I am self-employed and live with my child. After paying rent I live with my child on less than £6000 a year - and that includes all bills. Many have less - imagine being a single person on £60 a week! - i.e. on benefit. I do not take anything I am not entitled to - I try so hard not to. Sometimes I feel a failure in life, but I enjoy what I can, and know that we are better off than 3/4 of the world. And I sponsor a child and know that to someone richer the amount would be peanuts - but it is hard to find it each month - but I DO because I know we can afford it compared to them. I don't mean to preach - I just want to iterate again that I was really HURT by his comments - it HURTS that HONOURABLE MPs who have a HUGE salary and are there to represent and support US have their noses in the trough and milk the expenses system for all it is worth, whilst preaching and limiting money to those who struggle further down the ladder and prosecuting those who have overclaimed, etc - I am really upset by their behaviour, and that if it had not been exposed, they would have been happy to continue. I DESPISE the lot of them!

So Stephen - you do NOT speak for everyone when you say it is nothing to most of us, and that we would do the same - some of us simply WOULD NOT!

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Epimethean


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Posted Tue May 12th, 2009 1:30pm Post subject: Stephen Fry's comments on Newsnight
I wonder of Stephen could clarify his remarks. I find it hard to believe that he really meant all that he apparently said...

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exoskeleton


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Posted Tue May 12th, 2009 3:54pm Post subject: Stephen Fry's comments on Newsnight
I wonder of Stephen could clarify his remarks. I find it hard to believe that he really meant all that he apparently said...

if you haven't seen it already you might be interested in the entire interview:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/newsnight/8045869.stm
I think his point is much clarified there.

sockdolager.

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Grapefruit


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Posted Tue May 12th, 2009 4:01pm Post subject: Stephen Fry's comments on Newsnight
It highlights how completely out of touch with reality he is, thinking that it is ok for MP's to lie and be corrupt.I don't think that's quite how he meant it.

I interpreted his points thusly:

1. The majority of people, when given an expense account, will drain the thing dry. MPs are human beings too.

2. It is somewhat hypocritical for the hysteria and fury to be led by journalists, who are presumably less than pure in their expense dealings.

In these two things, I agree. He is not saying it's acceptable for MPs to lie or be corrupt, only that they are not unique in this.

Certainly, these comments do not address the real issue (that we have a parliamentary system that allows MPs to use taxpayers' money to fund their extravagances far, far beyond anything they should be eligible for). However, I doubt he was attempting to provide his full perspective on the entire debate in those few seconds of footage.

I felt he was, if anything, using the moment to aim a slap at the wrists of the press - perhaps indicating that they should be aiming their investigative wrath less at the people and more at the system that allows such abuse to flourish.

I might be wrong, but it's Stephen Fry, for crying out loud! Give the man the benefit.

(Oh, and hi, I'm new.)

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Anonymous


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Posted Tue May 12th, 2009 4:03pm Post subject: Stephen Fry's comments on Newsnight
Hello and welcome Grapefruit, and I agree completely.

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ginj


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Posted Tue May 12th, 2009 4:36pm Post subject: Stephen Fry's comments on Newsnight
Welcome to the forum, grapefruit. I think your understanding of the statement is right on target. Or at least it matches my understanding as to his intent in making the statement. :-//

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exoskeleton


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Posted Tue May 12th, 2009 5:17pm Post subject: Stephen Fry's comments on Newsnight
I'm bothered by how I said "to an extreme" in my earlier post.
I should have said he was being rather strong in his point, because extreme implies a judgment, as though I know where moderate would be.
otherwise I think the longer video makes things clear enough for me and I'm out of here!

(here being this thread/topic...not the forum! goodness no don't take my Fry forum!!!)

sockdolager.

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michael


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Posted Tue May 12th, 2009 5:27pm Post subject: Stephen Fry's comments on Newsnight
eee
deleted that

"HELLO I'M TACTILE !" is an anagram of my name

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bilbocroft


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Posted Tue May 12th, 2009 5:31pm Post subject: Stephen Fry's comments on Newsnight
Apologies Stephen - what is the matter with me? - mouthing off before finding out about the creative editing that journos specialise in - how stupid am I?

Sorry - no really - its amazing how betrayed I felt when I assumed I would know what SF would think on such a topic.

I am dead against heroising anyone ie expecting someone who produces music you like to be a wonderful human being or an example to follow but SF is an example that contradicts this view.

Oo-er... I'm starting to sound like a learner stalker....

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bilbocroft


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Posted Tue May 12th, 2009 5:54pm Post subject: Stephen Fry's comments on Newsnight
1. The majority of people, when given an expense account, will drain the thing dry. MPs are human beings too.

2. It is somewhat hypocritical for the hysteria and fury to be led by journalists, who are presumably less than pure in their expense dealings.

Hi Grapefruit - I'm new too.

Would like to challenge you on some of the points that you made.

Firstly, the majority of people have no idea and are never likely to know what an expense account is like and secondly, who else but journalists can enquire and report the 'hysteria and fury'? Maybe SF identifies too closely with that incestuous world .

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Grapefruit


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Posted Tue May 12th, 2009 6:10pm Post subject: Stephen Fry's comments on Newsnight
Firstly, the majority of people have no idea and are never likely to know what an expense account is like
Point taken. For accuracy, I should perhaps have phrased that first comment, "if given an expense account" as opposed to "when".

(Incidentally, I've only ever had access to an expense account once, on a company training trip, a £25 per night hotel allowance. Hard to get through it in a night if you're travelling solo and don't drink, but I made damn sure I managed it!)

and secondly, who else but journalists can enquire and report the 'hysteria and fury'? Maybe SF identifies too closely with that incestuous world .
Reporting on it is one thing, and I'd be happy for them to do so, but they can do so without themselves being hysterical and furious - or at least, in being hysterical, own up to their own transgressions. That's what I felt Stephen was saying. In his own writing he frequently is most offended by hypocrisy - those who impose moral and behavioural boundaries on others that they have no intention of following - and this comment seemed to me to be an extension of that.

I don't know if he identifies too closely with "that incestuous world" - do you mean journalism or Parliament? Either way, I felt he WAS making a statement of identification, but identification with the human weakness of greedy MPs who have, like kids with a sweet jar, taken more than they ought to.

And thanks to everyone for the welcomes!

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bilbocroft


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Posted Tue May 12th, 2009 6:28pm Post subject: Stephen Fry's comments on Newsnight
I don't know if he identifies too closely with "that incestuous world" - do you mean journalism or Parliament?


Thanks for your reply

There is a 'view of the world' that dominates the presentation of our world to us. I'm not sure if hegemony is the right word to describe it.

A sort of tribe with shared class, education, values etc that dominate the media, the Westminster village etc. They dominate our language, ideas and access to whatever power there is out there.

This tribe dominates without reflecting the lives, hopes and fears of ordinary citizens.

Sorry this has ended up sounding a bit turgid.

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