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Josh_Tate90


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Posted Sun Aug 26th, 2012 3:53pm Post subject: stupid stupid world

joan said:
It's all down to politics in the end. For the right wing, money is the bottom line, for the left wing, people are the bottom line. It is that simple.

And the Labour party here, in power federally, got the money right too, getting us through the GFC by means of a stimulus package to people not banks.

The Right of politics get it all wrong by concentrating on austerity and cutting spending, as this adversely affects business as well as the powerless. But they have the big propaganda budgets, and many people have no understanding of the issues, believing what the media wants them to believe, including the idiotic assumption that if it hurts it's doing good! In this way the Right gets elected.

Oh well, at least I know my teacher son trains all his pupils (age 15-18) to deconstruct the news and find the tiny bit of truth.

First and foremost, I apologise for degrading this thread with a political message, but that is nonsense. Socialists are obsessed with money: what you earn, from where it comes, what it is spent on etc. Keynes himself believed governments should have surplus finances during the boom to provide help during the bust. That is an eminently sensible proposal. Few Western governments did this. Your naked partisanship blinds you to the truth you believe yourself to value. The political colour of a government is irrelevant if there is no money to spend.


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TobiasMonk


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Posted Sun Aug 26th, 2012 5:54pm Post subject: stupid stupid world

Josh_Tate90- The Zero Room, like it says on the tin is where folks post to vent, rant, and let off steam etc.. Begin another thread for debate if you'd like, but please refrain from making assertions personal.

I cannot be awake for nothing looks to me as it did before, Or else I am awake for the first time, and all before has been a mean sleep.
Walt Whitman

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joan


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Posted Mon Aug 27th, 2012 2:24am Post subject: stupid stupid world

If there is little money to spend, Josh, the political colour of the the government is more relevant than ever. Who suffers? No need to spell it out.


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Nitro


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Posted Sat Sep 1st, 2012 1:41pm Post subject: stupid stupid world

It's so sad how open debate has become so feared around here. It's led to the departure of some very intelligent members. This is honesty, this isn't inflammatory language. And if words can offend you more than real life action, it's not the writer that should be under your magnifying lens, but yourself.

'Letting off steam' means just that, but it's not specific to any topic. So what if it's politics. That people would, and they do because I've seen it here, persist on reading a thread they KNOW IN ADVANCE is going to upset them just so they can complain and stamp and kick up dust about it to exert some hand in censorship so they can feel momentarily empowered in their lives, is not, in my opinion, a behavior that warrants support but discouragement. Do these same people watch shows on TV that they DON'T like? No? OK, then don't read a thread or the words of some poster that you don't like. And I wish folks had the guts to point this out more often.

And fwiw, I tend to think that in these times, it's more important than ever that citizens do not turn on each other but vote the jerks out who turn on them. The uber wealthy are in very different positions. And when you turn wealth into some sort of symptom of human virtue, you're on a dangerous path of 'screw you, more for me' reasoning and law making because you can then rationalize harsh laws that affect only the poor and build for yourself a dependent labor force. Think about the implications of privatizing prisons. What goes up during rough economic times?

Wealth is certainly no virtue at all when you consider that at the top of the food chain are people who are, mostly, born into it. They know squat all about 'doing without' and you are out of your mind if you think they'll do much more than toss a charity party once in a while or found an NPO, which also works as a tax break to themselves. Taxes. That's a funny one too. Romney still hasn't produced but he has done what they all do...hid money offshore and out of the tax mans sites. So it's not even a case of the wealthy paying their fare share of taxes but you damn well better believe they will demand, through law making, that YOU do.

Really? Wow.

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TobiasMonk


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Posted Sun Sep 2nd, 2012 2:41am Post subject: stupid stupid world

Nitro said:
It's so sad how open debate has become so feared around here. It's led to the departure of some very intelligent members. This is honesty, this isn't inflammatory language. And if words can offend you more than real life action, it's not the writer that should be under your magnifying lens, but yourself.

Open debate is neither feared, nor discouraged here as you well know from having been involved in much of it If you want to debate start a thread then have at it, but the whole point about this being a place to let off steam is that anyone who wishes to do so may do so without fear of backlash in the form of harsh or overly critical response. Full stop. Them's the rules.

And you're right we have lost members, good people. Tito for instance. Now let's move on please and get this thread back on track.

I cannot be awake for nothing looks to me as it did before, Or else I am awake for the first time, and all before has been a mean sleep.
Walt Whitman

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gadgetgirl


Member

Posted Wed Sep 5th, 2012 3:13am Post subject: stupid stupid world

Terrified by the lurch to the right over here today with government reshuffle. A women and equalities minister who votes against legislation on homophobia and tries to restrict abortion severely. Gawd.

That would be me.

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gadgetgirl


Member

Posted Wed Sep 26th, 2012 8:38am Post subject: stupid stupid world

Originally started this about my parents, so I am re-railing the thread! My Dad died last thursday morning (I was there with my mother, aunt and sister). We had our differences, but it was a relief for him in the end as the cancer had spread everywhere and he had so little quality of life after the paralysis. But fuckity fuck my Mum is falling to pieces and cannot comprehend at all.

That would be me.

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marmotte


Member

Posted Wed Sep 26th, 2012 10:21pm Post subject: stupid stupid world

Dear gadgetgirl,

I feel for you and send you much love and a big hug.

Marmotte


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joan


Member

Posted Thu Sep 27th, 2012 10:50am Post subject: stupid stupid world

Hello again GG. It must be awful trying to cope with grieving while trying to help your Mum. The only thing you can do for her, I believe, is look after the practical things in life. Make sure she drinks enough, eats enough, and gets some sleep. Meanwhile look after your own needs too - you need to keep your health. There is nothing you can say to make it better, so just stick to keeping things ticking over for now. Don't expect too much from yourself or anyone else.

I saw my best friend deal with the decline of her alzheimer-suffering mother in law, and that's all she could do - just the practicalities. My own Mum had dementia at the end, but was at the other side of the world from me. My brother visited her regularly in the nursing home, and had to accept a hell of a lot. She forgot him in the end.

It's a bugger isn't it? Hugs from me, and all my best wishes for you to get through this horrible time.

Love from

Joan


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Nitro


Member

Posted Wed Oct 3rd, 2012 9:49pm Post subject: stupid stupid world

I'm not sure what the Tito reference was about Tobias. Anything in particular? I was thinking more of Pam and I forget his old handle, but I recall it had 'Britain' in it. Both struck me as intelligent and insightful and, at times, passionate about what they thought, which I tend to admire more than not.

And for GG, very sorry for your loss though I do understand any relief you may feel for your fathers sake. Grief is a rude bastard dear and intrudes on everyone differently even when they're experiencing losing the same person. The upside is you all still have each other and I'm sure you will help each other cope and be compassionate to each other.

Really? Wow.

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