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gadgetgirl


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Posted Wed Oct 26th, 2011 1:16pm Post subject: Symptom or Cause?

A question that bugs me from time to time is wondering what proportion of my back mood is just (for want of a better word) depression and how much is genuinely caused from the things in my life.

I know I've taken on too much at work/home at the moment (when I was feeling okay and was able to cope) so I need to lose some of that. I've also spent the last year or so starting to face up to some of my sexuality/gender identity issues and being much more open about it. Not to mention learning to cope with my mother's Alzheimer's getting worse and worse. I've been to counseling (although stopped after a while as I wasn't sure I was going to make any more progress).

I've done all these things, and they helped in bursts and yet still I seem to be sliding down, and don't know if I've been blaming the wrong thing.

Does anyone else feel they go around in circles like this? Is it the chemicals in my brain that make me feel like this and make the problems worse, or the other way around?

That would be me.

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TobiasMonk


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Posted Wed Oct 26th, 2011 2:47pm Post subject: Symptom or Cause?

Hells yeah, Flip, I smell what you're steppin' in and it's prolly some of both.

I cannot be awake for nothing looks to me as it did before, Or else I am awake for the first time, and all before has been a mean sleep.
Walt Whitman

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marzgirl


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Posted Thu Oct 27th, 2011 11:17am Post subject: Symptom or Cause?

I am coming back to this cause I have been wondering the same round about thing myself.
I really need to go to bed tho.

"Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that."
~Martin Luther King Jr.~

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greentree


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Posted Thu Oct 27th, 2011 2:38pm Post subject: Symptom or Cause?

I wonder if it IS really chemicals at all......
I really do wonder.
There's no medical test for depression..... much as people say its an imbalance of chemicals in the brain.... where's the test? I didn't have one. Or a brain scan, or any other sort of test.
I told the gp and the psych how i felt, and a lot more besides, and he (psych) said 'It's clinical depression.'

Odd.
BUT.... antidepressants do work for me.
They don't work for everyone, and some don't work for me at all.
So there must be some chemical effect there somehow. Or it's a REALLY good placebo!!

Personally, I reckon, for me, it's mostly the way my temperament / personality works, the upbringing i had, and various life experiences that mean i react / behave in certain ways which aren't particularly helpful to me. Whether, over time, that leads to a chemical imbalance of sorts in my head, I don't know. Or it could be a 'learned' way of being that isn't really any good, and as a result i end up unhappy.
I don't think it's a chemical cause at all...... otherwise i'd be permanently depressed if i don't take tablets, and that's not the case. I get episodes of depression and i'm fine in between.

Of course i am only talking about my own experiences here and i know other people have different experiences, and other MH conditions may well be caused be a chemical imbalance, but as far as depression goes, I really do wonder.....

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michael


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Posted Fri Oct 28th, 2011 3:09am Post subject: Symptom or Cause?

i don't think there's an easy answer to it, flip, but it can help to either try to work on both supposed causes or try to figure out your own little signals to yourself, if that makes sense.

it sounds like there's definitely a lot going on in your life! and its perfectly normal to go through some grieving and go through some sadness, especially with your mom's situation.

i guess the best thing i can think of to talk about is, do you feel yourself get sad or down after particular events or discussions? do you feel particularly like your mood is attached to those things? or do you feel like all kinds of days, events, activities are kinda dampened?

the counseling could be a good thing to go back to. particularly because the things going on with your mom. even if it doesn't feel like progress... just maintaining ... that's good too.

"HELLO I'M TACTILE !" is an anagram of my name

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gadgetgirl


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Posted Fri Oct 28th, 2011 8:18pm Post subject: Symptom or Cause?

Thanks michael, I don't suppose there's a yes/no to this for any of us either. I've been seriously wondering about the counseling too. I should be really happy this week, as I've just discovered one of my best friend's cancer has definitely gone. I'm really happy for her, but down on myself. Weird innit? I tried a mood diary for a while but found it a bit pointless day to day. Longer term tracking of bad periods might help.

I don't know about brain chemicals - obviously there can be a female fluctuation of hormones which can affect mood. I don't see why there shouldn't be some sort of longer term up/down in any of us though, either through diet or just some mojo. Enforced by negative thinking? Genetic disposition to negative thinking? And sometimes I wonder if I'd appreciate the good times as much if I didn't hit the bad. Sometimes I just think I think too much!

That would be me.

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marzgirl


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Posted Sat Oct 29th, 2011 12:10am Post subject: Symptom or Cause?

Ugh.Yeah. Currently in the longest running depressed period that I fear will never end. The only way to get out of my brain is to sleep and I fucking hate that cause I have 2 kids who need their mom!

I don't know how to make a long story short as some of you know. My son is bipolar and at age 20months his dad who he was not familiar with at all took him from me to another state under the guise of just being in town to visit. Took me 5 months of court dealings to get him back and he suffered severe seperation anxiety when he got back. If my son could not see me he freaked out totally!! I had to go so far as to get a clear shower curtain so he could see me because just me talking and poking my head out every so often was not good enough. He just stood there screaming and crying. I started us both in therapy right away and I learned alot about child development, milestones, ect....

Now after all my years of therapy wondering if a glitch in my development along these lines did not happen as well, thus exacerbating my pre disposition to depression. I am named after my mom's sister who died when she was 15. From at least age 4 my grandmother compared me to her alot such as "your aunt would never talk to her mother that way" or "your aunt would never treat her sisters that way" in response to something I would say or do to my mom or sisters. my aunt was perfect. then i got the idea in my head that i was going to die at age 15. when i would brush my hair or wash my hair and hair would fall out i thought i had cancer when i was 13. did not know chemo caused hair loss, thought cancer did so i did not tell anyone "i have cancer" because i did not want anyone to take me to the doc and try to be saved cause i thought i was supposed to die. i also thought that a fitting "fuck you" to everyone if i did at least one thing like my dead aunt.

Obviously I did not die but got pretty rebelious in thinking as the saying goes "only the good die young". That was an affirmation in my mind that i was as bad as i thought or was expected to be or whatever.

I just wonder if all that comparing going on at such a young age damaged my development as far as having a sense of "self"? I never understood growing up how my peers could be so sure of "this is what i want to do when.....". Any time I was asked i said i did not know. i would decide when i grew up. could be why i never followed through with things because i expected to die so what was the point and that has carried on well after. I feel like I am 37 in dog years. seriously.

i had an appt yesterday to see if i qualified for a trial study for a possible new antidepressant drug and i did not make the cut due to possible interaction with a migrain prevention med i take. i am bumbed.

i think it is some chemical some circumstantial. some people have the worst of upbringings and have the greatest of adulthoods. those people are not inherently predisposed to chemical imbalance. others have run of the mill up bringings, nothing too dramatic good or bad and end up sitting where i am right now.

ugh, i feel like a rambleing and disjointed idiot atm. break time. hope some of this made some sense, helped, or was in any way identifiable.

back later.

xxxxx

"Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that."
~Martin Luther King Jr.~

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Just Begun


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Posted Sun Oct 30th, 2011 12:31pm Post subject: Symptom or Cause?

gadgetgirl said:
A question that bugs me from time to time is wondering what proportion of my back mood is just (for want of a better word) depression and how much is genuinely caused from the things in my life.

I guess it's a combination of both. I think people must have an inherited disposition to suffer with depression, though experiences and events in our lives can sometimes makes things worse.

Personally, I've always had a tendancy to be depressed. My mother is the anxious, emotional parent and my father is the depressed, despondant parent. Me, well I seem to switch from one to the other depending on what life throws at me.

I often think there has to be a "Third Feeling", something between the highs and lows. Clear thinking and an optomistic frame of mind seem to help as does a few changes in diet.

Being selective about who you listen to is another option. When I was young I used to spend more time thinking about the people who were critical of me than those who thought I was OK. Little did I know at the time that the people who would ridicule me for my health problems got some kind of power rush from causing me anxiety and depression. It was only as I got older that I noticed how anxious and awkward my persecutors could be around other people, it was almost as if I was their only source of confidence. No wonder they couldn't leave me alone


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