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Nitro


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Posted Sat May 30th, 2009 3:48am Post subject: Vista that is the arsehole of all technology


Where is the pie that I might throw in Mr.Gates face? Yes, that's already been done, but not by me. I want my turn.

If any of you Vista users come up against an update error along the lines of 8002somethingsomething, it will mean you cannot update anymore till you fix it.

So you try to fix by jumping through each evil little hoop at msn from looking for hijackware to farting around doing a clean install to tweaking IE7 yadda yadda yadda to straighten the error out. After much googling today, my conclusion is that NO ONE had figured out the fix for it.

Great Microshit. Now I've got another system from you that your own engineers can't be bothered to deal with and as it has been your scummy history to offer obtuse directions, indirections even, to jump through one hoop after the next with the end result of not resolving the fucking issue AT ALL.

I mean, how the hell can these people have any god damned pride in their work, their company's name, when their client relations have been so very poor, so lacking.? The average person out there shouldn't have to get a sudden and uninformed education in digging through their "Knowledge Base" ( *cough* *hack* ). That is NOT the experience a sound company should offer their customers.

Try this on for size Micropoop: How about you do some actual testing on your updater program? Which of course means beating it to death yourselve to try to make it break and when you find the breaks ( and you will, ohhh, you will ), then fix the damn bloody thing before you get into packing and shipping.

Fuckers.

Really? Wow.

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bmcraec


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Posted Sat May 30th, 2009 7:20am Post subject: Vista that is the arsehole of all technology
That was a beautiful rant! It should be going the rounds of English-speaking offices around the globe in another 12 months.

Well said!



Where is the pie that I might throw in Mr.Gates face? Yes, that's already been done, but not by me. I want my turn.

If any of you Vista users come up against an update error along the lines of 8002somethingsomething, it will mean you cannot update anymore till you fix it.

So you try to <snip>

How about you do some actual testing on your updater program? Which of course means beating it to death yourselve to try to make it break and when you find the breaks ( and you will, ohhh, you will ), then fix the damn bloody thing before you get into packing and shipping.

Fuckers.

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Fredvdp


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Posted Sat May 30th, 2009 7:25pm Post subject: Vista that is the arsehole of all technology
I never had any problems with Vista except that it's a diesel: it takes a while after startup before you can actually do anything. I'm a gamer and Vista is the best gaming OS there is at the moment because of DX10.

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Nitro


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Posted Sun May 31st, 2009 4:13am Post subject: Vista that is the arsehole of all technology
I never had any problems with Vista except that it's a diesel:
I'm begging you: please don't count your chickens before they've hatched. X-D


I'm a gamer and Vista is the best gaming OS there is at the moment because of DX10.

X-D-ing --> into infinity!!!

Really? Wow.

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joan


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Posted Sun May 31st, 2009 8:58am Post subject: Vista that is the arsehole of all technology
MY husband has Vista - he has all the usual strife. I have a Mac and plod on happily while he tears his hair out.

I told him to get a Mac, but he wouldn't listen. He mocks it and says it's a 'fashion statement'. Really!!?? It works with no fuss, what more could I want? It's practical not fashionable.

Men - I'll never understand them.

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DHFrame


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Posted Thu Jun 4th, 2009 11:28pm Post subject: Vista that is the arsehole of all technology
Let me tell you my thoughts on this. I have used Microsoft operating systems for a good long while now. I decided, needed, more wanted really, a decent laptop to use while I am away from the office. I decided to buy a nice shiny Macbook Pro. I love Apple stuff, I have had an iPhone since day one and it was time to get serious.

Now, genuinely, you have to believe me, I have never had any serious problems with Vista. I've had problems with hardware but not software. Now, stay with me. I was very lucky to have the opportunity to meet Duncan Stewart and show him my work, I create Illustrations for Architects and decided to show him my work on my brand new 2 week old Macbook Pro. You know where this is going don't you....

My brand new Macbook would not work. It booted up, but as soon as it decided it wasn't near my wireless network, it went into what is called an 'Airport Kernel Panic'. There was no chance I could find the time time to show him my work because he had to be somewhere, in a hurry! And this wasn't a problem that was gonna clear up quickly. I could literally do nothing. I could not even show him some jpeg images! Screamed did my inner child, horror at the embarrassment.

I myself, also had an kernel panic. Now, don't get me wrong, I adore this Macbook Pro, but to this day I have found no solution to this problem and neither has anyone else! The solution; try and remember to turn off Airport just in case it could happen again. And what do I do if I need to use their network? Sigh to my new OSX.

So, to wrap up. It's easy to say something is shite when you've had a bad experience. It's easy to say something is shite because everyone else says it is. I wonder if Duncan could have seen my work if I booted into Vista instead? Seems even the best stuff can be shite. Oh, and by the way, why does the track pad 'tapping' on this beautiful object decide to stop working every now an again? ........Ponder

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Nitro


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Posted Fri Jun 5th, 2009 4:30am Post subject: Vista that is the arsehole of all technology
I don't understand. Are you saying you could not even get your desktop up???

Because if you could, you could've just switched the wi-fi off so it wouldn't search for a network at all.

Don't worry. If you had Vista it might've booted up, but then it would keep telling you it couldn't find your file and given you some obfuscated code to search the lumbering Microsoft Developers 'Knowledge' base with X-D

Sorry about that. Say, couldn't you upload your illustrations online to something like Flicker or Picasa and just give them the link...or...offload your files onto some portable media of your choice to hand out? I mean, at least as a Plan B to the occasional kernel panic...

BTW, some things to know about Macs are:

They do NOT like a cold shutdown. Go through the step by step shut down process. Never just pull life support.

When all else fails, shock the PRAM a few times.

BTW, there are some really good Mac sites out there run by Macphiles who know their chit. Google around for 'em. Just don't use Blip X-D

Really? Wow.

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Nitro


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Posted Mon Jun 8th, 2009 3:41pm Post subject: Vista that is the arsehole of all technology
The incident that started this thread is one that, hopefully, you won't have to encounter. If you're a Mac user, you won't at all. Pat yourself on the back for a minute.

There is an error ( 80072EFD ) that occurs with Windows Update. Given the numerous and unending security holes that go on with just about any MS o/s, updating security issues is particularly important. Ah, but...

This error will not allow you to update. Now, what the MS user has to go through in order to get this crap working again is SO typical of why MS has earned their deserved reputation for building junk. It's one experience in frustration after the next. This doesn't work, that doesn't work, this conflicts, that conflicts....yeesh..

So, you look in your native Help file for a solution. Likely, you'll be provided a link to the 'support' or 'knowledge' base where you are invited to look for your error solution online ( good luck if you can't connect - but no one's going to help you in that case anyway ).

Then, you'll follow that link for 'help' ( *cough* ) and run a search for this error code. OK, and you'll find out you're not alone. ( BTW, the links are provided as proof of my statements and in case any of you run across it...oh, and uh..there are tons of other errors too, not just the 80072EFD error ).

This is the online hunting-trip, in succession, offered up for this error:

http://www.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/en.....sloc=en-us

http://www.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/en.....=1&p=1

The 2nd link brings us to a page with all the various steps you can try in order to resolve the error that prevents the Update from working correctly.

http://www.updatexp.com/0x80072efd.html
Notice how the option to add Update as a 'trusted site' assumes that you do
not use any other browser than Internet Exploder!! Little else could be expected from a MS 'MVP' I suppose. X-D

Vista is a newer o/s than my oldest Mac. But I have had far, far fewer problems with OS X, even in the aged state it's in, than I have had with Vista. What does that tell anyone about the QUALITY of architecture design between the two companies? In any other industry, what Microsoft has done through the years would be considered criminal. If Toyota built cars like MS builds o/systems, they would have been out of business years ago.

I'm not trying to start a platform war, honeslty, I just think MS treats its customer base worse than people treat the shit on their shoes. I know that my experience with this is just one among many.

But thank the digi-gods for Apple! X-D

Really? Wow.

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wildfire


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Posted Tue Jun 9th, 2009 12:18am Post subject: Vista that is the arsehole of all technology
I use MS Word and Excel on Mac - It's actually quite a good advert for Apple to have a few MS apps around to remind you of why you switched - practically every time I start those Excel, the Microsoft Auto-Update decides that it needs to download > 150MB of patches to the app.

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Nitro


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Posted Tue Jun 9th, 2009 5:13am Post subject: Vista that is the arsehole of all technology
I am really ready to start biting on my keyboard right now.

I've taken hammers to Windoze machines before. I'll do it again man...I swear....maybe this time I"ll videotape it and send it off to One Microsoft Way X-D

Really? Wow.

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Nitro


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Posted Thu Jun 11th, 2009 2:51am Post subject: Vista that is the arsehole of all technology
OK, since I brought this topic up I figured the least I could is provide the one resolution that actually worked to resolve the problem. But before I do that, you will find out on your own just how annoying the 80072EFD error can be. And, if you Google for the solution you will find all sorts of suggestions such as tinkering around in your registry ( please do NOT do that if you are not an egghead ), messing around with options in Internet Exploder ( please do not bother, because Update is a stand alone program and doesn't use IE for its Update processes ), reformatting your hard drive ( - an extreme solution if there ever was one ), freaking around with your firewall and/or antivirus programs ( don't bother, been there..done that..), or using the 'free' service of some company that sells a registry cleaner of some kind. Now, if you think about this you will realize that the free version MIGHT tell you what's wrong, but rarely will they fix it UNLESS you buy the full version And often, that doesn't do crap and good luck trying to get your money back.

This actually worked. Please not that after you go through these steps, you'll need to at some point restart your computer ( and the computer will tell you so if you do it right ). Agree and restart. Once your desktop is backup, immediately launch Windows Update and pick your updates you want or choose 'em all ( I tend to only install updates I actually want versus being forced to download IE v 8.0 for example ).

Manual steps to recover from Winsock2 corruption for Windows Vista users
Winsock corruption can cause connectivity problems ( NOTE: Other than Update not wanting to update, I had NO problem connecting to my network nor the internet, so I'd take those words with a grain of salt ). To resolve this issue by using Network Diagnostics in Windows Vista, follow these steps:

1. Click ,
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Start
and then click Network.
2. Click Network and Sharing Center.
3. In the Network and Sharing Center box, click Diagnose and Repair.

Now, after doing this absolutely nothing happened other than Windows telling me everything was fine. I said 'okey dokey' and went on to the steps below.

( You may also access the Network and Sharing Center in Control Panel. )

Reset Winsock for Windows Vista
To reset Winsock for Windows Vista, follow these steps:

Launch a command prompt using Accessories>Cmd Prompt ( and right click to 'run as administrator' )..

Type >netsh winsock reset - at the command prompt ( do not include the hyphen back there ), and then press ENTER.

** Note If the command is typed incorrectly, you will receive an error message. Type the command again. When the command is completed successfully, a confirmation appears, followed by a new command prompt. Then, go to step 3.

**I found this fix after searching for days. It's really a situation of resetting the winsock. Now, some people HAVE had success mucking about in the registry and setting a '1' to '0' for example. But really, I wouldn't recommend going there.
3. Type exit, and then press ENTER.

I was able to install all the necessary security updates but only after several days of searching. And I have to say before anyone asks. The "Knowledge Base" as well as the MS tech support are almost entirely useless. Seriously. Even they don't understand the problem X-D I mean, the fact that there are pages and pages of people with this issue and it's NOT an MS employee who's come up with the fixes is a terrible witness to the *ahem* 'knowledge' of MS engineers.

Basically as a Windows customer YOU/WE PAY to be Beta testers X-D

Really? Wow.

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Dave Owen


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Posted Wed Jul 15th, 2009 11:44am Post subject: Vista that is the arsehole of all technology
I'm with Nitro on this one!!!
I have used Windows since 89 (win 3) up to Vista, and it's always the same crap, frustration, a round about way of doing things, the daily updates, the defragging, the maintenance, where's my file gone? Windows Explorer, Internet Explorer, slooooooow............. internet access even on 4mb, and that's only half of the problems I can think of right now.
Chuck it in the bin people. Go and buy a second hand Mac off e-Bay if you think their too expensive. Give them a try, you'll thank me for it.
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Sub-Level28


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Posted Sun Feb 14th, 2010 10:29pm Post subject: Vista that is the arsehole of all technology

Well windows has had TWO really shitty OS iterations.
Win 3.11 and Vista.

Vista I only had problems with lately. ransom crashing and those latest updates has just been a huge problem. So much so I wont update Vista anymore. I tried installing the update but it only made my PC crash even more.

Hell Win ME was better.. Which everyone was ragging on back then.

Now I'm switching to Win 7 as soon as I can.

I wish I was a shapeshifter.
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AnCBeck


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Posted Mon Feb 22nd, 2010 6:10am Post subject: Vista that is the arsehole of all technology

I never even used Vista. I heard how awful it was and decided to get a Mac before I started college. And once I met Mac, I never went back!

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