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Anonymous


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Posted Wed Oct 3rd, 2007 2:30am Post subject: What Do We Want From This?
Hi Everyone,
This morning I logged in and read the "John Steed" thread with a certain amount of annoyance, but must be honest, without surprise, as I have felt this brewing for a while now.

I write this with a certain amount of trepidation, but for the sake of all members of the forum, I need to ask you all. What is it that you want from this area of the Stephen Fry Forum?

Do we want to share information about our illness? Do we want nothing more than a support base where we continually tell each other how brilliant and lovely we all are? Do we want a mechanism to rant and rave at each other? Do we want all three? Or do we want something else?

I must admit I do get a little annoyed at times, as I know other members do, sometimes seeing the same old questions from the same old members being regurgitated, without any feedback being given, on what steps were taken by the originator, with respect to the previous advice given.

How I would like to see the Forum ran is of no consequence, but I certainly feel of late, that we have had several schools of thought on what we are trying to achieve, and also differing opinions with regards to the way we are going about it, and hence the bitterness in last nights thread, and a couple of other threads, that have now been locked or have finally and thankfully fizzled out.

Unfortunately I have deleted some of my recent posts, because I feel that my approach is no longer in-keeping with the current flavour and needs of the Forum. I STRESS that I blame no-one for this. It's just the way I currently perceive things.

I understand that many people here are at the crossroads of their lives in dealing with their Bipolarity and/or straight out Clinical Depression, and I too have been to the depths many times myself, with many suicide attempts under the bridge, and I dare say, many more to come.

To see members disappear, when I think deep down they really don’t want to leave, is distressing. To see members fire shots at others without any justification is equally distressing, and cannot be defended. Sure, an apology helps. But unfortunately what's said is said, and the wounds can take a long time to heal.

Maybe we can make use of this thread to firstly count to ten, consider off-line what it is we want, and then return with some positive and constructive feedback and ideas, with both old and new members contributing, keeping it cool, and above all, keeping it to the point.

I understand that I am more than likely to be shot down in flames now, and if so, so be it. But I think we all need to consider what it is we are looking for as both individuals, and as a community, in order to make full use of this valuable, extremely rare, and very supportive resource.

Anyway, Take care,
oxo
Pete

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whattocallmyself


Member

Posted Wed Oct 3rd, 2007 6:19am Post subject: What Do We Want From This?
in a hurry, going to work, but hear hear!
Thank you Pete.Snelling for making words of my thoughts.
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I have nothing to add after reading the posts below. I think they say all.

Thanks for the song Pete! Youre great!

Onwards and Upwards!

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amyl_nitrate


Member

Posted Wed Oct 3rd, 2007 8:37am Post subject: What Do We Want From This?
I've always seen this as a place for people to come to for advice and support. A place where people can ask questions that are worrying them, questions about bi-polar and maybe other disorders, a place to ask about how to deal with professionals such as psychiatrists, a place to ask advice about coping mechanisms that other people use. I also expect people who have the knowledge provide the answers to people if they can and want to help them. I don't feel that I have the knowledge to answer a lot of questions or I don't have the relevant experience to answer some people's questions so I don't. All I can do a lot of the time is show support and that someone is listening to them. For myself I know that sometimes it helps just to have people listen to you instead of ignoring you or brushing you off because they don't care or have the time.

Assuming direct control...

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Anonymous


Unregistered

Posted Wed Oct 3rd, 2007 11:44am Post subject: What Do We Want From This?
What do I want? I'll give it some thought but the first thing that springs to mind is that I want a place where Pete Snelling can do whatever he wants and not feel harangued or hectored. Pete is good and lives up to the forum philosophy. What forum philosophy? Well, this is Stephen Fry's website and he says it all really:

This is a virtual place in which to browse peacefully and without being harangued, harassed, heckled or hectored

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katysara


Moderator

Posted Wed Oct 3rd, 2007 12:55pm Post subject: What Do We Want From This?
I just come here to share my thoughts, and if possible, offer some advice about things I have learned the hard way (or professionally, but mostly it is stuff I learned through my own illness). I take everyone at face value. I trust everyone to be thoughtful and caring - as I would be to them. I don't want to argue with anyone. I am very upset that some people have left - like Red Raven who I thought was a terrific addition to this group. I've not been here as long as some of you, so I don't really know how the forum has changed for the worse. I think of it as a very safe place, even though some people are telling me not to.

A safe place to share feelings, thoughts and ask questions.

KSx

I am an administrator on this site.

"Having a great intellect is no path to being happy."
~ Stephen Fry

See my website: www.katysaraculling.com

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Anonymous


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Posted Wed Oct 3rd, 2007 1:20pm Post subject: What Do We Want From This?
I want this to be a place where I can be supported and I can support others.

This sounds kind of tricky, but I think that debates are rather dangerous here. More than they are on other parts of the forum. I like debates and I think everyone deserves a chance to have thier say. But I would like people, especially in this section, to take an appropriate amount of time to gather thier thoughts, write them clearly, and if someone is upset, they should make it clear what idea or action they disagree with, rather than calling names or being vague...because it is so easy for someone to think they are being personally attacked.

It seems like most of the posts don't even develop into a debate of any kind. We obviously want to help each other and cheer each other up. I'm sometimes silly, and I hope that's ok too. I also like it when people who aren't depressed or bipolar stop in to say hi or lend a hand.

I'd also like to say that a lot of what happens after these arguments reminds me of the way I sometimes argue with others. Something feels SO important, or I feel SO hurt, that I can hardly put words together. The person I am talking to misunderstnads me even more. I end up leaving the room, leaving the house. Eventually I awaken and see that my actions were overboard compared to what triggered my hurt feelings, Then I berate myself, feel horrible, like slime, and want to disappear.

I see this has happened on this site a lot. (switch forum for room or house.) Is there a reason for this? Is this cycle typical for people who have bipolar disorder? I mean, I'm sure this happens to everyone, but I'm wondering if it's just way more intense for people with MD. If it is, we need to develop some ways to deal with it on the forum so fires don't get out of control. Counting to 50, not posting for a few hours, or something.

Sorry this is so long.... thanks for reading it if you did.

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katysara


Moderator

Posted Wed Oct 3rd, 2007 1:46pm Post subject: What Do We Want From This?
I think it is an important point that when someone is manic, or depressed, (or hypomanic, dysphoric etc. etc)... then feelings run high. Emotions do feel intense and powerful and it can be hard not to react. But hopefully there are always enough people around who are stable enough to reel things in. Go back a few weeks and I was in a mess. Now, despite a shite dr, I am doing OK.

In a not very eloquent way Banjo, that was my way of saying yes, it is part of MD that can make emotions so intense.

KSx

I am an administrator on this site.

"Having a great intellect is no path to being happy."
~ Stephen Fry

See my website: www.katysaraculling.com

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Anonymous


Unregistered

Posted Wed Oct 3rd, 2007 2:05pm Post subject: What Do We Want From This?
Great response so far guys, and please keep throwing ideas and opinions in the air.

This may seem a bit corny, and I have been meaning to do this for some time.
But I dedicate this track to EVERYONE here on the SLOAMD forum (and the SF Forum generally).

http://www.petesnelling.com/Prelude_and_Barriers.mp3

It's only a demo, so please excuse the quality, but the lyrics are very personal, go back over many years, and are lyrics that I think we can all relate to.

It's basically about screwing up over and over again, hurting others, and building emotional barriers.

The track starts with an orchestral introduction, and then the song starts within about 3 minutes. So please keep listening.

Please understand, that it is by no means meant as a way to plug my music, and I dedicate and post it in the hope that it might help others.

If anyone wants the lyrics posted, I will of course do so.

Take care,
oxo
Pete

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Anonymous


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Posted Wed Oct 3rd, 2007 2:07pm Post subject: What Do We Want From This?
Actually I would like the lyrics posted Pete. I've listened to your music before and liked it, but it was difficult to follow the lyrics sometimes because of the sound quality. "Age of Innocence" was great though - understood and appreciated it all.

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Anonymous


Unregistered

Posted Wed Oct 3rd, 2007 2:39pm Post subject: What Do We Want From This?
Actually I would like the lyrics posted Pete. I've listened to your music before and liked it, but it was difficult to follow the lyrics sometimes because of the sound quality. "Age of Innocence" was great though - understood and appreciated it all.

Many thanks for the kind words John.
As requested, please find the lyrics below.

BARRIERS (Copyright 2005 - Pete Snelling)
Verse1
We some times run, we sometimes fall
Just look at all the suffering, just look at all the things we do
Now and then some things just never go our way
Never blame the ones you love, never hang your head in shame

Chorus
All the suffering and sadness in the world
Life may never be the same again
Selfishness emotions, distances corrode
Barriers can bring you so much pain
(Barriers can tear you heart away 2nd and 3rd time only)

Verse 2
At the time, I hang my head and cry
The gentle giant who takes my hand, and tells me many reasons why
This is not the end, so do not run and hide
Maybe it looks like the end, but surly your not gonna die

Repeat Chorus

Verse 3
As life goes on, many people try
Try to make themselves look high, they’ll try to knock you to the ground
Standing tall and proud you have so much to say
Reassuring thinking, that they hardly know your name

Repeat Chorus

Take care all,
oxo
Pete

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katysara


Moderator

Posted Wed Oct 3rd, 2007 2:41pm Post subject: What Do We Want From This?
yes yes, lyrics please

I am an administrator on this site.

"Having a great intellect is no path to being happy."
~ Stephen Fry

See my website: www.katysaraculling.com

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Anonymous


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Posted Wed Oct 3rd, 2007 2:49pm Post subject: What Do We Want From This?
Great stuff Pete. Recent events have had this one running through my head.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=0jftFhb0xnU

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Anonymous


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Posted Wed Oct 3rd, 2007 6:37pm Post subject: What Do We Want From This?
Banjo is right that debates are tricky here. Any forum where a high percentage of the members have an emotional/mental/psychological disorder is going to have these times where the emotions run high and words get said.

But forums like these are for learning. Everyone here knows what bipolar and borderline anger can be like. It's incandescent, it takes over everything and clouds judgement and reasoning. That's something to learn about and learn to control. Forums are a great place to learn. I spent years in an eating disorder forum and it taught me a great deal. It taught me how to talk to people, how to talk about myself, how to see past the warped perspectives of my body that my mind gave me. At one point, I realised that if I could talk to people online then I could do it offline too. The online world, for so many reasons, has been my practice ground for stepping into the real world.

The arguments people have had here recently... I imagine they're mirrored with similar arguments in the real world. Banjo's right in saying that people seem to get incredibly wound up, berate someone else but then when they come down, the guilt kicks in and the self-beration comes in. Some people then feel they can never return or that this place is now dead.

Arse.

It's alive if people want it to be alive and are prepared to look beyond themselves a little.

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katysara


Moderator

Posted Wed Oct 3rd, 2007 6:45pm Post subject: What Do We Want From This?
Powerful wise words. Well said.

KSx

I am an administrator on this site.

"Having a great intellect is no path to being happy."
~ Stephen Fry

See my website: www.katysaraculling.com

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Anonymous


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Posted Wed Oct 3rd, 2007 8:02pm Post subject: What Do We Want From This?
Every now and then I get serious. I'll be back to conversations about underpants and dogs soon.

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