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harbour


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Posted Fri Jun 13th, 2008 12:43pm Post subject: Why is homoeroticism so appealing?
I wanted to put a question out there, especially to my fellow female readers.

Did you also find the seduction and sex scenes in 'Oscar Wilde' erotic? And why is I find there are so many other women like myself who find themselves attracted to this genre? What is it about one man loving another that stirs such intense feelings of passion in some, while inspiring such disgust and hatred in others?

I recently had a dream about this very subject which I used as the basis of a debauched little erotic tale (fictional, of course). The feelings it evoked harkened me back to my restless teenage days when I'd melt over the words of Poppy Z. Brite & co, as I did when watching the Wilde film.

Any thoughts?

-anna

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Skadoo


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Posted Fri Jun 13th, 2008 5:17pm Post subject: Why is homoeroticism so appealing?
I'm no expert on the subject by any means but I think with the homosexual element, you remove a misogynistic element that is present in a lot of 'straight' erotica especially pornographic stuff. So maybe it's a way for women to get a bit of titillation without feeling guilty for seeing another woman being objectified. But like I said I'm no expert so who knows.

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harbour


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Posted Fri Jun 13th, 2008 6:12pm Post subject: Why is homoeroticism so appealing?
Interesting thought, S. Never looked at it from that angle.
I think you have a point, as I have actually encountered that element in some gay literature (that is, one man treating the other in what one would describe as a 'misogynistic' way, if the other partner were a woman) and it did absolutely nothing for me.

Certainly gender roles are one of the components.
So many men seem to be drawn (to put it nicely) to lesbian sex. Perhaps it works both ways? The stigma surrounding gay sex between men is just greater than that between women, I guess (?)

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amyl_nitrate


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Posted Fri Jun 13th, 2008 7:22pm Post subject: Why is homoeroticism so appealing?
I've always been drawn to both gay and lesbain couples kissing, cuddling, making out etc since I was a teenager. When I was younger however I was always uncomfortable watching men and women kiss each other. I don't know why, I don't feel the same anymore and haven't for years. Interestingly it's still easier to get hold of in the shops manga revolving round guy/guy couples than it is to find manga revolving round girl/girl couples. I wonder why that it is.

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harbour


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Posted Fri Jun 13th, 2008 7:39pm Post subject: Why is homoeroticism so appealing?
I've always been drawn to both gay and lesbain couples kissing, cuddling, making out etc since I was a teenager. When I was younger however I was always uncomfortable watching men and women kiss each other. I don't know why, I don't feel the same anymore and haven't for years. Interestingly it's still easier to get hold of in the shops manga revolving round guy/guy couples than it is to find manga revolving round girl/girl couples. I wonder why that it is.

Hmm.. that is a mystery..
I would have thought the market was bigger for girl/girl manga stories, but then again I'm not as familiar with it as you.
Any good titles you'd recommend me to start with? There is a comic shop in Vienna where I could look.

thanks,
-anna

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nongenderous


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Posted Fri Jun 13th, 2008 7:40pm Post subject: Why is homoeroticism so appealing?
I love watching two guys or two women being intimate. The scenes in "Wilde" are beautiful. So are the scenes with Tara and Willow in "Buffy". I remember one of my favorite movies as a teenager was "Show Me Love" (the original title is so much better; "Fucking Åmål"); about two teen girls who fall in love, who live in a boring, Swedish town where nothing ever happens (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0150662/)

Finally a thread where I can tell the wonderful news; on June 11th (exactly 95 years on the say since women were given the right to vote in Norway) a universal marriage act was approved:
http://www.ontopmag.com/article.aspx?id=1821&M.....ategory=24

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/12/world/europe/12b.....ref=slogin
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harbour


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Posted Fri Jun 13th, 2008 7:50pm Post subject: Why is homoeroticism so appealing?
Hei på deg, January Heart.
Scandinavia is truly ahead of most of Europe in these matters.
Wasn't at all surprised to read that there were protests held, though. But then again, it wouldn't be half the victory if it didn't ruffle a few people's feathers, right?


You've made me curious and now I want to see that Swedish film. Hopefully some generous soul will post it on YouTube.

Thanks for the links. Good news is always a welcome thing!

Hilsen fra Østerrike,
-a

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amyl_nitrate


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Posted Fri Jun 13th, 2008 8:09pm Post subject: Why is homoeroticism so appealing?

Hmm.. that is a mystery..
I would have thought the market was bigger for girl/girl manga stories, but then again I'm not as familiar with it as you.
Any good titles you'd recommend me to start with? There is a comic shop in Vienna where I could look.


For shonen-ai and yaoi titles I recommend the following titles (I've put the publishers in brackets for you:

Eerie Queerie by Shuri Shiozu [pub: Tokyopop]
Our Kingdom by Naduki Koujima [pub: DMP/Juné]
Demon Diary by Kara Lim [pub: Tokyopop]
Freefall Romance by Hyouta Fujiyama [pub: DMP/Juné]
Black Knight by Kai Tsurugi [pub: Blu]
Only the Ring Finger Knows by Satoru Kannagi [pub: DMP/Juné] [is a one volume manga and is also available in novel form with several sequels].
Truly Kindly by Fumi Yoshinaga [pub: Blu] [A collection of short stories including the first appearance of French aristocrat and butler characters Antoine and Claude]
Lovers in the Night by Fumi Yoshinaga [pub: Blu] [A full one-shot manga revolving around Claude and Antoine]
Fumi Yushinaga has also done some other series I'm interested in reading including Antique Bakery and Gerard and Jacques.

Finally there's the DMP/Juné yaoi collection by Biblos which is a big collection of short stories by various yaoi/shonen-ai manga-kas (including Naduki Koujima!) and it is called J-Boy.

NB: DMP (Digital Manga Publishing) is the name that used to appear on their yaoi titles until 2006. Now they're all published with Juné on their covers. Also their manga is slightly more expensive than other publishers because they're slightly bigger and come with dust jackets.

A shojo-ai title I'd love to read is Blue by Kiriko Nananan but I can't find it at an affordable price. On the bright side I have been able to find Strawberry Panic by Sakurako Kimino which I can't wait to read as it looks really adorable. ^_^

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masquerade


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Posted Fri Jun 13th, 2008 9:22pm Post subject: Why is homoeroticism so appealing?
I think for men there is more of a stigma with gay relationships because straight men seem to see it as somehow making them less of a man if they accept it. Of course, they tend to enjoy the idea of lesbians (the acceptance of which is certainly no threat to their masculinity), mainly because there are more breasts involved! X-D

I was going to say something similar to Skadoo - homoerotica tends to be a lot more loving than, say, watching straight porn, which tends to degrade the women involved because it is targeted at a majority audience of straight males.

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Maxx England


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Posted Thu Jun 19th, 2008 9:33pm Post subject: Why is homoeroticism so appealing?
Woman/woman or man/man doesn't appeal, and most sexual video doesn't either. The video thing is because I always feel the people involved should be having fun/pleasure, and quite visibly, many women aren't. I've actually seen women start to become aroused, and they've immediately been stopped by the (pardon the pun) withdrawal of the stimulus. That's dreadful.

The only way is forward. Now where's the bar?

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amyl_nitrate


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Posted Fri Jun 20th, 2008 9:37am Post subject: Why is homoeroticism so appealing?
I think for men there is more of a stigma with gay relationships because straight men seem to see it as somehow making them less of a man if they accept it. Of course, they tend to enjoy the idea of lesbians (the acceptance of which is certainly no threat to their masculinity), mainly because there are more breasts involved! X-D

I was going to say something similar to Skadoo - homoerotica tends to be a lot more loving than, say, watching straight porn, which tends to degrade the women involved because it is targeted at a majority audience of straight males.

I don't see the appeal of straight porn either. I like stories/manga where there's plot with good characters. I want to read a story that has the same amount of effort put into it as you'd get in any other manga without the relationships. I don't like it when it's just sex, sex, sex all the time and any excuse for it. Other aspects of the relationship are important too and it's nice to see things like cuddling and kissing too.

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katysara


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Posted Fri Jun 20th, 2008 12:05pm Post subject: Why is homoeroticism so appealing?
As a kid if I saw 2 people (of any description) kissing (like on TV), I would scream and cover my eyes, thankfully I have moved on.

I know quite a few men who are turned off by two men kissing (I'm staying at the kissing level). But who love to see two women together. I have actually had personal experience of this. I was out with my then girlfriend, on a street, nobody around, so we had a bit of a kiss/snog... and... a car with 4 men pulled up and parked so they could watch us and cheer. Obviously we left, but it is a memory that has stayed with me!

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