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j9r


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Posted Thu Jan 31st, 2008 2:56am Post subject: work layoff ----
I just need to vent.

I had to make the really crappy choice of which employees at work are getting laid off and who is being reduced to part-time thereby losing their benefits. I had a great friendly report with everyone at work, now people leave the room when I come in. What was I supposed to do, let the company go under, I am just the accountant. And then they bitch at me because we aren't buying lunches and I got cheaper paper towels.

I know I can't win, but it still sucks.......

thank you for listening.

---j

"I'm from New Jersey, if the world ended today, I'd adjust" - John Gorka

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Red Raven


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Posted Thu Jan 31st, 2008 3:01am Post subject: work layoff ----
Sounds like they shot the messenger. You did what you had to do. Tough job.

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amyl_nitrate


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Posted Thu Jan 31st, 2008 3:59pm Post subject: work layoff ----
That sucks. It wasn't your fault, if it had to happen it had to happen. This is the way things go unfortunatly.

Assuming direct control...

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joan


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Posted Sun Feb 3rd, 2008 12:29pm Post subject: work layoff ----
Re the part-timers losing benefits: blame the government - they are the ones who make it necessary for employers to provide 'benefits'. Other countries have proper public health systems, so employers don't have to provide 'benefits' .

In fact blame the government for the lot - right wing God-botherers like Bush & Co. always make life unstable for working people, as they expand the gap between rich and poor, with no conscience whatsoever, calling any attempt to improve things 'socialism' and therefore evil.

Then look for another job - sounds like they can't afford to employ people at all.

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wildfire


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Posted Sun Feb 17th, 2008 12:48am Post subject: work layoff ----
It's probably oversimplistic, I know, but I sometimes wonder if the US spent more of its tax on good education and healthcare, it wouldn't need to spend so much on the prisons later.

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Red Raven


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Posted Sun Feb 17th, 2008 1:18am Post subject: work layoff ----
Re the part-timers losing benefits: blame the government - they are the ones who make it necessary for employers to provide 'benefits'. Other countries have proper public health systems, so employers don't have to provide 'benefits' .



I've been working for the Gov part time for 6 years now. I have no benefits at all unless you count my paycheck once a month. I can't afford to buy my own health insurance and I can't afford to go to the doctor, so I end up not going. It worries me because what if someday there were something wrong with me and I didn't go because I couldn't afford it and then later found out that visit could have resulted in finding a cancer before it got out of hand.

Sad thing is, in America you have the right to free speech, the right to practice the religion of your choice, the right to bear arms, just to name a few, but you don't have the right good health. No no, good health is reserved only for those who can either afford it, or are willing to go into debt for it.

It's rediculous.

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j9r


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Posted Wed Feb 20th, 2008 4:13am Post subject: work layoff ----
As a person who for years went without benefits, I have fought hard to get the best benefits possible for the employees, so making this decision really sucked. But it also cut the negative cash flow by 20% and the work is still being done. Slowly they are coming around to understanding but I will never expect them to be happy about it.

Since I live in the most liberal areas I have ever seen in America, almost everyone I know thinks we should be taxed more and benefits should be provided by the government, this is the "People Republic of Berkeley" after all. Republicans are very scarce here. But this is also one of the most capitalistic areas around. The rich are often envied and most people are looking for that new American dream, the start-up that goes public for millions, and many of us know people it has worked for and many it hasn't - companies go under all of the time. The Bay Area's history is filled with booms and busts, from the fur traders, to the Russians to the 49"s all the way to the computer geeks, year after year it is the way it works. That why many of us came here.

I think I am stream of conscience writing, its late and I am tired. Time for bed, to do it all over again in the morning........

And yeah - my resume is out.

---j

"I'm from New Jersey, if the world ended today, I'd adjust" - John Gorka

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ysabella


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Posted Wed Feb 20th, 2008 4:24am Post subject: work layoff ----
Since I live in the most liberal areas I have ever seen in America, almost everyone I know thinks we should be taxed more and benefits should be provided by the government, this is the "People Republic of Berkeley" after all. Republicans are very scarce here. But this is also one of the most capitalistic areas around. The rich are often envied and most people are looking for that new American dream, the start-up that goes public for millions, and many of us know people it has worked for and many it hasn't - companies go under all of the time. The Bay Area's history is filled with booms and busts, from the fur traders, to the Russians to the 49"s all the way to the computer geeks, year after year it is the way it works. That why many of us came here.
So, so true. There is an irony there. And of course Berkeley got in the news protesting a Marine recruiting office. Apparently the government should provide but it shouldn't actually look for anything. That, plus the idea that just because the office is there, our susceptible youth will clamor en masse to fight wars in distant countries. I mean, please.

I think I am stream of conscience writing, its late and I am tired. Time for bed, to do it all over again in the morning........

And yeah - my resume is out.
My favorite job search engine is indeed.com - have a look sometime. And best of luck.

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j9r


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Posted Wed Feb 20th, 2008 5:29am Post subject: work layoff ----
I really wonder about both sides of the Berkeley/Marine fiasco. First Berkeley, get over yourselves - this is right up there with the "Nuclear Free Zone" which doesn't apply to medical equipment so you have regulated that my neighbor can't build a bomb in his basement? Or that the lab on the hill that pays for a lot of stuff can't do the experiments there - well they don't - that's what Livermore is for.......

Second - do the Marines really think that Berkeley is where they are going to get a large amounts of recruits from.....a reasonably rich, well educated and exceedingly liberal town....not the normal recruit. Part of me wonders if the Marines pick Berkeley out of spite.

In any other part of America I would be considered VERY liberal, but here I am verging on conservative. I mean I voted against a minimum wage law. I voted against it because it was badly written and nearly uninforcible but I voted against it so that make me against the working man......

---j

"I'm from New Jersey, if the world ended today, I'd adjust" - John Gorka

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ysabella


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Posted Wed Feb 20th, 2008 9:47pm Post subject: work layoff ----
Well, techie males are the big growth area for Libertarianism, so maybe there are more of them around Berkeley than you might think.

I would think that the Marines not only need fighting men on the ground, but people for the technical stuff who might not see combat. Hence looking in a college town with lots of math/computer/science nerds.

Still and all, I think of Berkeley and I think of Cliff Stoll.

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joan


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Posted Thu Feb 21st, 2008 5:57am Post subject: work layoff ----
You could always drive north - to Canada!

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j9r


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Posted Thu Feb 21st, 2008 9:56pm Post subject: work layoff ----
Except it's cold in Canada.....I can barely stand San Francisco. We think it freezing cold at 55 and too hot at 70. We are wimps.......

---j

"I'm from New Jersey, if the world ended today, I'd adjust" - John Gorka

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Anonymous


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Posted Fri Feb 22nd, 2008 8:44pm Post subject: work layoff ----
Would this in any way help to cheer things up?

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j9r


Member

Posted Sun Feb 24th, 2008 1:08am Post subject: work layoff ----
Yes it does, always one of my favorite bits of F&L. "you bastard" never actually had someone say that to me. But I am sure someone will one day. Mostly criers and nodders.......

---j

"I'm from New Jersey, if the world ended today, I'd adjust" - John Gorka

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joan


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Posted Wed Feb 27th, 2008 10:18am Post subject: work layoff ----
How are things now, J9R?

When I was still in the workforce, before my bookkeeping job vanished through a classic buying-out and asset-stripping venture by some corporate arseholes from Chicago, I was able to resist any attacks on work conditions through the union. Have you got a suitable union to help you when things get bad?

Sometimes, all you need from a union is some objective advice on your options. They have the big picture, not just your little corner of it. Unions have bad press, but they do great things behind the scenes. It is just the tiny percentage of drastic action that the media exploit.

I talked to my union when things were going bad, and on the basis of their projection of what might happen (and they were right), I resigned about 6 months before the place folded, partly because I could already see the new owners were unethical, partly because work conditions were becoming unendurable, and partly to ensure I got my full termination entitlement. I told my colleagues what was going on, but most prefered to remain blinkered

In the end you just have to read the writing on the wall.

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